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James McClean

iebamm2580

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/james-mcclean-questions-irish-teammates-attitude-to-discrimination-1011015.html

Think mclean makes a fair point in the article., seems to be only discrimination if you are a from certain backgrounds.

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CtevenSrowder

He isn't wrong.

Brock Turnpike

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/james-mcclean-questions-irish-teammates-attitude-to-discrimination-1011015.html

Think mclean makes a fair point in the article., seems to be only discrimination if you are a from certain backgrounds.

I'm not surprised James can't work out why he's not getting support.

Atlantic Dawn

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I'm not surprised James can't work out why he's not getting support.

It's because he's a white.

[Deleted User]

And the abuse has only become more pronounced with the rise of jingoistic poppy-shaming rhetoric. The act of publicly ridiculing a professional footballer for not sporting a flower on his lapel is ridiculous. Britain no longer has an empire despite what the tabloids print, the days of colonial subjugation are over.

One eyed Jack

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/james-mcclean-questions-irish-teammates-attitude-to-discrimination-1011015.html

Think mclean makes a fair point in the article., seems to be only discrimination if you are a from certain backgrounds.

That wasn’t his point?

His point was that some people care more about discrimination against some people than others.

I’m just not sure what he expects should happen as a result of him stating the bloody obvious.

Allinall

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's because he's a white.

No. it's because he's a bit of an arsehole.

Hamsterchops

McClean leaves himself open to attack, he's deliberately said and done things that paint a big red target on himself...

The poppy thing is the obvious red flag, where out of all his team mates, the opposing team, and the fans he decides not to wear a poppy in England on poppy day!

OK, so I think the whole poppy day (compulsory wearing of) has gone far too far, specially on TV, but by not obeying the same custom as everybody else on the teams & the stadium crowd, he does stand out as not being part of the commemoration, hence it irks people.
His attitude is the problem.

[Deleted User]

For the love of God will someone edit his name and spell it correctly.

The most misspelled Irish footballer of all time (constantly happens on the football forum).

[Deleted User]

Hamsterchops wrote: »

McClean leaves himself open to attack, he's deliberately said and done things that paint a big red target on himself...

The poppy thing is the obvious red flag, where out of all his team mates, the opposing team, and the fans he decides not to wear a poppy in England on poppy day!

OK, so I think the whole poppy day (compulsory wearing of) has gone far too far, specially on TV, but by not obeying the same custom as everybody else on the teams & the stadium crowd, he does stand out as not being part of the commemoration, hence it irks people.
His attitude is the problem.

Even though I think he is a class A clown I think he is dead right not to wear the poppy if he does not want to.

However he does not do himself any favours with things like his history lesson tweet from a few months back.

osarusan

Hamsterchops wrote: »

but by not obeying the same custom as everybody else on the teams & the stadium crowd, he does stand out as not being part of the commemoration, hence it irks people.
His attitude is the problem.

100% disagree.

McClean comes from Creggan in Derry, where people were killed on Bloody Sunday. He has repeatedly said that if the Poppy Appeal funds were limited to veterans of WW1 and WW2, he'd have no issue with it. But as it stands, the funds go to all veterans, including potentially those who took part in Bloody Sunday.

It's a perfectly reasonable stance in my opinion. The way he goes about it doesn't help, but that's because he's as thick as a plank.

In general, obviously the Premier League have aligned themselves with the Black Lives Matter movement. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but McClean, and plenty of others from places around the world in which wars, brutality and atrocity go unremarked, are within their rights to wonder 'What about us?'

ForestFire

Hamsterchops wrote: »

McClean leaves himself open to attack, he's deliberately said and done things that paint a big red target on himself...

The poppy thing is the obvious red flag, where out of all his team mates, the opposing team, and the fans he decides not to wear a poppy in England on poppy day!

OK, so I think the whole poppy day (compulsory wearing of) has gone far too far, specially on TV, but by not obeying the same custom as everybody else on the teams & the stadium crowd, he does stand out as not being part of the commemoration, hence it irks people.
His attitude is the problem.

Do you know what the poppy symbol would represent to catholics /nationists in Derry City?

Do you think it would be okay to ask Colin Kaepernick and other African americas sports stars to wear a symbol of the confereradtion army, to honor lost lives in battle?

suicide_circus

Taig lives matter

RandomViewer

Hamsterchops wrote: »

McClean leaves himself open to attack, he's deliberately said and done things that paint a big red target on himself...

The poppy thing is the obvious red flag, where out of all his team mates, the opposing team, and the fans he decides not to wear a poppy in England on poppy day!

OK, so I think the whole poppy day (compulsory wearing of) has gone far too far, specially on TV, but by not obeying the same custom as everybody else on the teams & the stadium crowd, he does stand out as not being part of the commemoration, hence it irks people.
His attitude is the problem.

Maybe we should force Protestants to wear an Easter lily , or Jews to wear a Swastika or Black people to commemorate the KKK ?

Cazale

Hamsterchops wrote:

OK, so I think the whole poppy day (compulsory wearing of) has gone far too far, specially on TV, but by not obeying the same custom as everybody else on the teams & the stadium crowd, he does stand out as not being part of the commemoration, hence it irks people. His attitude is the problem.

Some of those black athletes should wind their neck in too and not be so uppity. It's their fault and not the racists!

Quantum Erasure

Deleted User wrote: »

Because he's irish

The Irish are the blacks of Europe

Dice75

gilberto_eire wrote: »

For the love of God will someone edit his name and spell it correctly.

The most misspelled Irish footballer of all time (constantly happens on the football forum).

Jeff Hendricks says hi

Junkyard Tom

ForestFire wrote: »

Do you know what the poppy symbol would represent to catholics /nationists in Derry City?

Do you think it would be okay to ask Colin Kaepernick and other African americas sports stars to wear a symbol of the confereradtion army, to honor lost lives in battle?

https://twitter.com/odranwaldo/status/1282807762339209216?s=20

Brock Turnpike

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Where's the extract from? Ewan McKenna?

StackSteevens

osarusan wrote: »

Lives Matter movement. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but McClean, and plenty of others from places around the world in which wars, brutality and atrocity go unremarked, are within their rights to wonder 'What about us?'

Tell me more about this Bloody Sunday thing, because until I read about it in your post, I had never heard of it. Presumably it occurred somewhere in darkest Africa.

partyguinness

McLean gets personal abuse.

Is it based on race colour or creed?
Does it cross the line into discrimination?

Show me where he suffers discrimination.

He is English speaking white, straight and male. All things considered he is privileged.

Black players get abuse because of the color of their skin- not their fault.

McLean can choose to keep his mouth shut and his views to himself. He chooses not to- he gets a volley of abuse for it.

McGolderick etc do not have that same luxury or choice.

Huntergonzo

I've always thought McClean has maybe too much to say but he makes a fair point here.

Problem is it's all media/agenda driven. For example, Sky have rowed in hard behind BLM even though some (possibly many) have serious reservations about their true intentions and motives. But it's the 'politically correct' thing to do and that's all that matters apparently.

However to the best of my knowledge James McClean has never received a minute's support from them, for his very understandable decision to refuse the poppy. In fact the British media tendz to report the issue with apparent apathy as though they're not taking a side but their tone gives them away, they really don't like the fact that McClean refuses the poppy.

Anyway it's all politicial correct bullshít, George Carlin put it best:

"Politicial correctness is fascism pretending to be manners" and "political correctness is America's (or anywhere for that matter) newest form of intolerance, and it's especially pernicious because it comes disguised as tolerance".

[Deleted User]

partyguinness wrote: »

McLean gets personal abuse.

Is it based on race colour or creed?
Does it cross the line into discrimination?

Show me where he suffers discrimination.

He is English speaking white, straight and male. All things considered he is privileged.

Black players get abuse because of the color of their skin- not their fault.

McLean can choose to keep his mouth shut and his views to himself. He chooses not to- he gets a volley of abuse for it.

McGolderick etc do not have that same luxury or choice.

Yes, it is because of his creed. That literally invalidates the rest of your post, which is complete bollocks, by the way.

banie01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, it is because of his creed. That literally invalidates the rest of your post, which is complete bollocks, by the way.

Had a very similar reply ready to go, you beat me to it.

Feisar

Hamsterchops wrote: »

McClean leaves himself open to attack, he's deliberately said and done things that paint a big red target on himself...

The poppy thing is the obvious red flag, where out of all his team mates, the opposing team, and the fans he decides not to wear a poppy in England on poppy day!

OK, so I think the whole poppy day (compulsory wearing of) has gone far too far, specially on TV, but by not obeying the same custom as everybody else on the teams & the stadium crowd, he does stand out as not being part of the commemoration, hence it irks people.
His attitude is the problem.

I work in the UK a lot and no one has ever said anything about me not wearing a poppy., it's really media driven.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, it is because of his creed. That literally invalidates the rest of your post, which is complete bollocks, by the way.

Ok what discriminaiton does he suffer?

Saying it is "bollocks" really is not the smartest rebuttal.

If McLean thinks the abuse he suffers is on par with the abuse thrown at black players or the daily discrimination suffered by black people in general society then he really is living in cloud cuckoo land.

As I said he has a choice. He decides to mouth off every November about the Poppy (now I agree the Poppy BS is a load of BS). Fine that is his choice.

McGolderick and black players have no choice when they are abused about the colour of the skin they were born with.

McLean is not sticking up for injustices in the world. He is making a choice based on his political views. Fine. McLean is not sticking up for some society wide problem. It is his own narrow political allegiances that he is heckled about.

I have sat in Premier League grounds and for example I listened to all sorts of chants against Frank Lampard for being "fat". Now should we expect Frank Lampard to start crying about the fattest abuse he suffered. No of course not.

McLean might as well shout out: "The lives of Derry Republicans matter too."

Abuse about your political views and abuse about the colour of your skin are nowhere near the same. Not even on the same planet.

Have your views on the Poppy (which I agree with BTW) but you are living and working in England. What does he expect to achieve? All of a sudden the barely literate mobs in the stand will sit and contemplate his position and agree with him? Fantasy stuff.

I cannot understand why McLean even bothers explaining himself- that is his mistake. He is dealing with football fans....generally not the smartest bunch around.

[Deleted User]

Feisar wrote: »

I work in the UK a lot and no one has ever said anything about me not wearing a poppy., it's really media driven.

I doubt you decided to switch from playing for Northern Ireland to the Republic and then took to twitter to mock your former team either.

Francie Barrett

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Anyway it's all politicial correct bullshít, George Carlin put it best:

"Politicial correctness is fascism pretending to be manners" and "political correctness is America's (or anywhere for that matter) newest form of intolerance, and it's especially pernicious because it comes disguised as tolerance".

This is why politics should be taken out of sport entirely. The poppy is supposed to be a personal decision, but they way it's been structured by authorities, you basically have to wear one or else you're vilified for not doing so. The same thing has happened with BLM. There must be huge pressure on players to participate on these political stunts, a failure to do so would probably cost them their livelihood because the backlash from the keyboard warriors would be immense.

George Carlin is dead right, this is the road to fascism. Certain opinions are getting censored, others are promoted. People are conforming out of fear.

McGinniesta

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's because he's a white.

Nah. It's cuz he is black yo.

For real yo.

Pkiernan

When you continually whine about people not supporting you, sometimes its you

To quote hime from November 2018:

" I am a PROUD FENIAN no c@#t will ever change that, so sing away."

Hardly surprising people in England aren't queueing up to give him a hug.

partyguinness

Pkiernan wrote: »

When you continually whine about people not supporting you, sometimes its you

To quote hime from November 2018:

" I am a PROUD FENIAN no c@#t will ever change that, so sing away."

Hardly surprising people in England aren't queueing up to give him a hug.

I don't follow Twitter but he spews out that type of nonsense and then cries like a little baby when he gets abuse over it. McLean is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He is just as moronic as the apes that abuse him from the stands- well made for each other.