Edgware wrote: » The same provos slaughtered a good few civilians as well, many of them Catholics
[Deleted User] wrote: » The uvf and uda also operated on behalf of british state,given 85% of their intel come from the uk government sources?? The glennane gang (combined force of security and paramilitary)killed 151 people,150 of which had no connection to republican activity......they statistically likely should have killed more republicans..... Its almost as if the british wanted to wipe out the nationlist population,in 2 pronged effort,using paramilitarie to kill civilans and sec forces to kill militants and only people to stand for civilans,was the provos,god bless our patriot dead
Adam9213 wrote: » Do you just ignore the posts you have no answer to? Do you believe that my post about the MRF a top secret British army unit specifically created to fight the IRA consisting of about 40 members that included members of soldiers from special forces like the SAS who were only allowed use IRA and loyalist weapons were coincidentally acting as individuals and not on behalf of the British state?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Where is this evidence issued by the psni?
Truthvader wrote: » No I mean still operating their little protection rackets and criminal enterprises and local intimidation. Read back a bit. Your pal Francie was trying to sell us all the Mary Lou nonsense about Slab and the boys and telling us all there was no Sinn Fein IRA crime and everything was all normal but he lost the run of himself then and in a different context let it slip that he knew several places involved in the diesel game so I challenged him to report all this crime he knew about. Wisely he decided it might be better to keep the head down and say nothing. IRA were never more than a self interested criminal gang pursuing power using all this Fenian crap as a cover. They have that now so no need for the United Ireland nonsense now. Gerry happy on his trampoline in one of his houses
blanch152 wrote: » Well, there is more reliable evidence, from the PSNI, that the IRA leadership is still in place and controlling Sinn Fein, and you refuse to accept that.
Adam9213 wrote: » What do you mean by gone away? If you mean they handed up their weapons and are no longer active as a guerrilla army anymore then yes beyond doubt they have gone away, but if you mean that the people who were in the IRA are no longer trying to further Irish unity politically then no they haven't "gone away"
jm08 wrote: » But that isn't an accurate statement. What was said:https://www.ft.com/content/058e757a-54c3-11ea-90ad-25e377c0ee1f Would you prefer for them to get back to shooting and bombing rather than electioneering and leafleting?
blanch152 wrote: » The Brits told us to kill you, but we were nice enough to say no, so be nice to us. That is your proof?
blanch152 wrote: » You would like to think there was only one main reason, but there have been many reasons given across the national media and social media since it happened. I am entitled to my opinion that there were other reasons to be disgusted by the fake funeral, and that there were significant differences between the two. At the end of the day, because it was all a fake, it was particularly disgusting and the politicising of a funeral by Sinn Fein all the more repugnant. On Mairead McGuinness, that was a complete lie. She wasn't at the Convention Centre. Amazing that you were taken in by the spin on that one.
https://www.thejournal.ie/billy-kelleher-coronavirus-5142030-Jul2020/Billy Kelleher apologised as soon as it was raised. Sinn Fein should have learned the lesson from that. Get out ahead of the story and apologise. This will continue to run and run, especially when the Belfast City Council investigation runs its course. Can see compensation claims ahead.
In a 2015 report for the UK government, the PSNI and MI5 concluded IRA members believed the army council “oversees” both the IRA and Sinn Féin with an “overarching strategy”, based on current intelligence, historical materials and analysis. The PSNI has said recently that the assessment remains true. “We judge this strategy has a wholly political focus,” the 2015 report said. IRA members “have been directed to actively support Sinn Féin within the community including activity like electioneering and leafleting”.
McMurphy wrote: » I am not interested in your rabbit holes, there was only one main reason for complaints ref the shinners funeral, that being of ignoring social distancing guidelines, our own politicians were calling for those who attended the funeral to stay away from the Dail for 2 weeks for Christ sake, ignore it if you want. They soon wound their necks in when it was pointed out about Billy Kelleher, Mariead McGuinness both ignoring the quarantine restrictions both were supposed to observe, and also mourners at Garda Horkans funeral also ignoring social distancing guidelines.
blanch152 wrote: » No, you are wrong, there are many reasons to complain about the Storey funeral, not all are related to the virus. The private militia in white shirts is certainly one (don't give me the usual tripe about scouts, GAA clubs, they all have legitimate uniforms). There is a difference between a State funeral and an ordinary person's funeral, as anyone who recognises the legitimacy of the State would agree. There is quite a difference between the dignity being shown by the Orange Order and the unionist community in how they are celebrating the 12th and the fake pageantry of the Storey funeral (and that is really surprising me how well they are behaving).https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0713/1153008-12th-july-marches/ The leadership being shown by Arlene Foster also shows up Sinn Fein in a bad light. ""I know people are frustrated when they saw the scenes in west Belfast Tuesday-week ago and say if that happened there, why can't I do it." She was referring to the large-scale republican gathering last month for the funeral of IRA veteran Bobby Storey. Ms Foster said people should not fall below the standard requirement of the community just because others do so."https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0712/1152773-twelfth-bonfires-orange-order/ It is interesting that this is still hitting the news. Sinn Fein should have got out early with a real apology, their arrogance on this will continue to cause them problems.
Adam9213 wrote: » Do you not believe anything without solid evidence? If they were using loyalist agents as proxies to carry out assassinations how do you expect these things to be "proved"? Many things like all the high ranking loyalists having been British agents and the countless claims from the highest ranking of loyalists that they committed their murders on behalf of British intelligence along with some of the highest ranking intelligence officers during the troubles having claimed that loyalist paramilitaries were little more than pseudo gangs operating on behalf of British intelligence among many other things doesn't even make you a little bit suspicious?
McMurphy wrote: » Ok, let's dig into this and assume you're not on a piss take. Considering there's an outside police force investigation taking place looking specifically at: I'll drill down into your response. And the virus will care about that The virus must have evolved now to know who is observing the social distancing guidelines, whether or not they're locals or Gardai personell and how far they will be travelling to spread it? The virus doesn't care if you're wearing white shirts or your birthday suit blanch. Wise up. The virus can be contacted and spread between hosts anywhere and any place, be it at a "real funeral" or a pretend one. Again wise up. The virus will multiply and spread itself just as easily in a maximum security state penitentiary full of hardened criminals, as quickly as it would among a care home for retired clowns if people aren't observing social distancing guidelines. I repeat back to this bit so. You are complaining because it was a Sinn Fein funeral and that's all blanch, at least have the decency to be honest with yourself, as that's the only person you are fooling.
jm08 wrote: » The letter from the UVF to Haughey is in the State papers. If you bothered to read the link you would know that.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/loyalists-told-charles-haughey-mi5-asked-us-to-execute-you-1.3339804
Truthvader wrote: » Right so no complaint made then. Don't blame you to be honest but lets stop pretending Gerry Adams and his merry men have gone away
blanch152 wrote: » (2) Whatever about locals, Gardai paid their respects from a distance, in Garda stations around the country, as did most of the politicians. We didn't have people travelling from Cork for the Horkan funeral etc.
Adam9213 wrote: » That's how they usually carried out proxy killings they gave their agents all the information needed and asked them to kill them, that way there's no evidence that the British state commited the killings apart from the word of loyalists which dozens have claimed the killings they committed were on behalf of British intelligence but for whatever reason they refused to kill Haughey.
The Chief Constable of the PSNI has asked for a senior police officer from outside Northern Ireland to lead the investigation into alleged breaches of Covid-19 restrictions at the funeral of veteran republican Bobby Storey last week.
blanch152 wrote: » I think there are a number of significant differences that have become clearer over time. (1) The Horkan funeral was an official State funeral giving it a different status.
(2) Whatever about locals, Gardai paid their respects from a distance, in Garda stations around the country, as did most of the politicians. We didn't have people travelling from Cork for the Horkan funeral etc.
(3) Some sort of unofficial white-shirted militia-type group, looking and acting an awful lot like a US white supremacist group, marshalled the Storey funeral without any legal authority.
(4) The Horkan funeral was a real funeral, the Storey funeral included a fake procession to a fake burial, complete with fake eulogies, for politically staged reasons, before a real cremation elsewhere.
(5) The Storey funeral, a funeral of an ordinary criminal thug, was given precedence over the funerals of ordinary decent people in Belfast.
It wasn't just about the protocols, there were a whole heap of other reasons to be concerned about the Storey funeral, not least what he was, and not to mention the stupid silly selfies by Michelle.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I do not turn a blind eye to any criminal activity. And it wasn't the point, the point you are desperately trying to deflect for is that, if I know and can see this going on why are the security forces ignoring it. It is easier for you and others to portray the community as silent in complicity.
blanch152 wrote: » Not in the least ignorant, lived through the 1970s and 1980s, have read an awful lot as well, clear in my own mind that the vast vast majority of the blame for the conflict falls on the IRA, Sinn Fein and the men like Bobby Storey who still run them.
blanch152 wrote: » Another claim? where's the proof, the smoking gun? Not there, not anywhere. Certainly not on the basis of your original statement.
“In 1985 we were approached by a MI5 officer attached to the NIO (Northern Ireland Office) and based in Lisburn, Alex Jones was his supposed name,” the UVF said. “He asked us to execute you.” The previously secret letter, on UVF headed paper, showed the loyalists told Mr Haughey that the MI5 operative gave details of his cars, photographs of his home, his island, Inishvickillane, and his yacht, Celtic Mist. “We refused to do it, we were asked would we accept responsibility if you were killed we refused,” the UVF said in the letter. Signed in block capitals “Capt W Johnston”, the name used by the UVF in all its formal statements, it closed with the line: “We have no love for you but we are not going to carry out work for the Dirty Tricks Department of the British.”
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