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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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slave1

Round Cable wrote: »

Stopped to charge the eSoul at the Galway plaza HPC today on the way back to Dublin. Arrived with 35% of battery remaining. Peak speed was 54kW, which throttled to 44kW at 60%. I was expecting a lot better.

But was the speed dictated by the car or charger?

Round Cable

markpb wrote: »

I suspect it's more to do with ESB being a semi-state so there is more political pressure/awareness. Imagine the complaints (real or otherwise) if ESB was spending the governments money and excluding the poor Leaf owners

That's the thing, they could have specified 2 CCS and 1 ChaDeMo cables, and they wouldn't have excluded anyone. It seems like a bizarre decision to configure the HPC this way.

markpb

unkel wrote: »

Yeah this baffles me too. Perhaps an autocratic corporate culture where a very old, traditional man at the top just dictates how things are done and where ideas and suggestions from more junior staff are suppressed?

I suspect it's more to do with ESB being a semi-state so there is more political pressure/awareness. Imagine the complaints (real or otherwise) if ESB was spending the governments money and excluding the poor Leaf owners

Round Cable

Stopped to charge the eSoul at the Galway plaza HPC today on the way back to Dublin. Arrived with 35% of battery remaining. Peak speed was 54kW, which throttled to 44kW at 60%. I was expecting a lot better.

liamog

Kramer wrote: »

Let's call a spade a spade here - it's almost 2021.
It's terrible .

Why add an obsolete Chademo connector? There was already a Chademo at this location, this new unit should have been 2 CCS connectors & placed so as to allow 3 or 4 cars to access the chargers.

I think CHAdeMO cars are still the majority on the road, so I don't see the need to eradicate them completely, but I do think eCars should of had a bit more forward vision and specified 2 CCS + 1 CHAdeMO

Imagine how annoyed you'll make an e-Tron driver, when an Outlander connects to the CHAdeMO forcing his charge time to double.

JPA

unkel wrote: »

In fairness it looks like worse case scenario is one car CCS max 75kW and other car CHAdeMO max 50kW. Both fairly slow but at least that is 2 cars charging at the same time. Not just one like in the old chargers. Not great though if you have a modern EV that can charge a lot faster than 75kW, like a 2012 Tesla or an e-tron or something

A 62kWh leaf can get the 75kW.

digiman

unkel wrote: »

You sure about that?

Hmm, maybe it was an i3 then now that I think of it. Might have to check sentry!

unkel

digiman wrote: »

There was a leaf using the CCS

You sure about that?

digiman

Gave the high powered charger a go in Kilcullen earlier, arrived with 148km range left in a Model 3 performance and it quickly got up to 135kW which was adding 883km/hr. Took 41.6kWh in 26:12, looking forward to seeing more of these around the country.

There was a leaf using the CCS when I arrived on the high power charger but he left a couple of mins after I arrived so didn’t wait long. Was also a Tesla Model 3 on the Fast charger who was there an hour, would have been an expensive enough charger for that driver I suppose while I got mine for free!

unkel

Kramer wrote: »

Is it that hard for ESB to see an Ionity site or Google how they do it in other countries? Really?

Yeah this baffles me too. Perhaps an autocratic corporate culture where a very old, traditional man at the top just dictates how things are done and where ideas and suggestions from more junior staff are suppressed?

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

In fairness.......Not great though if you have a modern EV

Let's call a spade a spade here - it's almost 2021.
It's terrible

.

Why add an obsolete Chademo connector? There was already a Chademo at this location, this new unit should have been 2 CCS connectors & placed so as to allow 3 or 4 cars to access the chargers.

As it is now, 2 CCS cars can't charge simultaneously on this new unit at 75kW.
In fact, 2 CCS cars can't charge simultaneously, on the new unit, at all!

What's almost worse is if a Leaf or Outlander is in the left space at the new "dual" unit, an Ioniq or Model 3 or many other nearside rear ported cars won't be able to access the CCS, so it's barely an improvement in my opinion.

Is it that hard for ESB to see an Ionity site or Google how they do it in other countries?
Really?

Approaching 2021, a brand new motorway "hub", with just 2 CCS connectors, which could be inaccessible if a Chademo car is charging.

:rolleyes:.

unkel

In fairness it looks like worse case scenario is one car CCS max 75kW and other car CHAdeMO max 50kW. Both fairly slow but at least that is 2 cars charging at the same time. Not just one like in the old chargers. Not great though if you have a modern EV that can charge a lot faster than 75kW, like a 2012 Tesla

or an e-tron or something

liamog

I like the way that operator has put a sticker on it to show the load splitting, it's better to be clear than to leave it to people guessing.

Rusky rusky

I think the 150kW charges are same as ones shown in the Bjorns video below. Starts at ab 5.15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-4IqxsWHI

liamog

slave1 wrote: »

What about someone on the new 150s on CCS and an Outlander rocks up, will the CCS still be limited to 75

We're still waiting on confirmation, but probably. This model appears to be 2 75kW modules operating in tandem to provide 150kW.

slave1

What about someone on the new 150s on CCS and an Outlander rocks up, will the CCS still be limited to 75

liamog

obi604 wrote: »

So if anyone gets to one of these chargers and see a leaf charging and need CCS - they may as well do a u turn to another charger

Best bet is to open the eCars app, it will tell you how long the person has been charging for. There is a 45 minute limit, so it's reasonable to expect that someone will finish around then. If they are showing as charging for 35 minutes then I'd hang around and wait.

If it's a Tesla then it could be Elm

who's willing to pay €5 to charge for longer, if he doesn't spot you, you could be a while

obi604

graememk wrote: »

More like one charger and 2 cables, the electricity is the same but the signalling is different.

The High Powered chargers, have 2 Power modules that can be used together on one CCS connection to get 150kw or split between CCS and Chademo and give 75 each.

So if anyone gets to one of these chargers and see a leaf charging and need CCS - they may as well do a u turn to another charger

graememk

obi604 wrote: »

So essentially, there is a chademo and a ccs charger (2 chargers) but only one car can charge at a time

More like one charger and 2 cables, the electricity is the same but the signalling is different.

The High Powered chargers, have 2 Power modules that can be used together on one CCS connection to get 150kw or split between CCS and Chademo and give 75 each.

obi604

graememk wrote: »

It won't load balance in that way, the leaf has to finish, and then the new session has to be started on CCS

There has been incidents where someone was charging on CCS and a leaf plugged in and kicked the CCS user off and ended the CCS charge (shouldn't happen but it does)

So essentially, there is a chademo and a ccs charger (2 chargers) but only one car can charge at a time

Kramer

So, has anyone with a 150+kW capable car hooked up to either of the new 150kW chargers yet?
Did you get the full 150kW?
Did a Leaf then plug in & knock you back to 75kW or were they unable to instigate a charge session as you were already pulling the max she could give?

...........we need answers.....:D.

Kramer

graememk wrote: »

It won't load balance in that way, the leaf has to finish, and then the new session has to be started on CCS

Exactly. One can't even plug in & leave as the CCS vehicle in your example won't start once the Chademo user stops. The new CCS session can only be started, on screen, when the other user finishes.

graememk

obi604 wrote: »

So if a leaf is charging at the chademo and another car comes along and wants to use the combo CCS, this Other car can plug in and all, but It won’t start charging until the leaf is finished.

It won't load balance in that way, the leaf has to finish, and then the new session has to be started on CCS

There has been incidents where someone was charging on CCS and a leaf plugged in and kicked the CCS user off and ended the CCS charge (shouldn't happen but it does)

obi604

Kramer wrote: »

The DC side can only do Chademo or CCS, not both together.
So, in theory, a Leaf can charge at 50kW while an AC car can charge at 43kW, simultaneously.
Similarly, a CCS car can charge at 50kW with an AC car at the same time too, at 43kW.

That applies to the old triple head 50kW units.

So if a leaf is charging at the chademo and another car comes along and wants to use the combo CCS, this Other car can plug in and all, but It won’t start charging until the leaf is finished.

graememk

DrPhilG wrote: »

Just checking, the rates now depending on subscription are:

AC - 23/27c

50kw DC - 27/30c

150kw DC - TBC

Ok I wonder will they charge more for the 150kw one.

30/33c going on that trend?

Would a more expensive unit cost make a difference to anyone, ie would you go to the cheaper unit if you had a Kona/Niro/soul where you would get 75 ish peak?

If it was me, if it saved me time I prob would go to the high power one.

DrPhilG

Just checking, the rates now depending on subscription are:

AC - 23/27c

50kw DC - 27/30c

150kw DC - TBC

maclek

I'm pretty they are using these for the 150kw fast charger: https://emobility.delta-emea.com/downloads/Brochure%20-%20UFC%20Ultra%20Fast%20Charger%20V7%20EN%202019-10-07.pdf.pdf

Highlights:

I'll leave this quote here too:

(sorry the pictures are too wide, can't seem to format them)

Kramer

obi604 wrote: »

Educate me here.
At the charging stations that have

1. Chademo 50 kW
2. Combo CCS 50 kW
3. AC 43 43 kW

Does a car only successfully get the above charge speeds if its the only car using the charger?

The DC side can only do Chademo or CCS, not both together.
So, in theory, a Leaf can charge at 50kW while an AC car can charge at 43kW, simultaneously.
Similarly, a CCS car can charge at 50kW with an AC car at the same time too, at 43kW.

That applies to the old triple head 50kW units.

McGiver

unkel wrote:

ELM327 and I will have to start blowing up a good few Leafs so. Any link to the bet, I vaguely remember.

I'll see if I can dig it out. Think it was this thread.

obi604

Educate me here.
At the charging stations that have

1. Chademo 50 kW
2. Combo CCS 50 kW
3. AC 43 43 kW

Does a car only successfully get the above charge speeds if its the only car using the charger?

if other cars rock up to charge at the same time, does it reduce the charging speed?

I have only used this type of charger once so don’t know the ins and outs.