Ten of Swords wrote: » A significant number of posts have been deleted, this is the second (and final) reminder that this thread concerns the gender recognition legislation for children under 18. Any more posts conflating trans with pedophilia or mental illness, traveller rights, transgender prisoners, crime from people of a migrant background or any other off topic posting will earn an immediate card and threadban.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Both of you seem to be answering a different question. Just to remind you, the question I asked was 'What problems does recognising people who have changed their gender cause for you?'. I can only assume therefore that the answer is 'no problems'.
Brian Hartman wrote: » The problem is being told accept 2+2=5.
Brian Hartman wrote: » And I do not accept transgenders being allowed in to women's spaces.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Still not answering the question as to what problem it causes for you - so it looks like there is no impact on your life. Legislation has no impact on this. If you can do a good job at dressing, make-up, you'll be 'allowed in' to women's spaces, regardless of what legislation is there. Unless you're suggesting that there are ID checks at every toilet and every changing room?
Brian Hartman wrote: » No you won't be allowed into women's spaces just because you're a bloke in a dress.
Brian Hartman wrote: » You're a man, you don't have to worry about sexual violence. Women don't have that luxury.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Is there security checks on any of these women's spaces? Who's going to stop a transgender person from going in? And who's going to stop a man from going in? That's factually untrue, and I have been sexually assaulted in the past.
Brian Hartman wrote: » Women will stop men from entering their spaces.
Brian Hartman wrote: » People are going to accept this gender neutral
Brian Hartman wrote: » Most men don't worry about sexual violence but they know full well there are dangerous men out there who will abuse these idiot self ID laws.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Have there been many dangers arsing in Ireland in the five or so years of self-id?
drunkmonkey wrote: » This is a UK case but we've had the same thing here I'm just not I reserach mode https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/a-predator-and-highly-manipulative-transgender-prisoner-jailed-after-sexually-assaulting-women-in-prison-37411500.html So to answer your question, yes men can take liberties when disguised as a woman.
amdublin wrote: » I think we should get rid of m/f public toilets. A bathroom is a bathroom. Into the cubicle do your business and go
drunkmonkey wrote: » It's heading the other way. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/visitors-kick-up-a-stink-over-unisex-toilets-at-cliffs-of-moher-39337137.html
amdublin wrote: » Why? I'm wondering?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » I dunno, you might need to ask her. I don't speak for her. What do you think she should do in that situation?
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Drunk Monkey suggests that trans people should not be legally recognised in their preferred gender just because. This isnt possible as Ireland was found in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights for not doing so and was forced to legislate. I'm not sure why peoole are getting so hung up on statistics given that we are talking about 420 people out of 4.75 Million.
Rodin wrote: » Because males can't become females and females can't become males and no amount of shouting people down and trying to rewrite the laws of biology can change that. And if the number is really that few, why are we constantly hearing about it in the national discourse? Why do people want it taught in primary schools?
Deleted User wrote: » It's also pretty accepted that all generations have had transgender people. It's not a new phenomena and I see no issue with recognising them as their gender.
oyvey wrote: » Would that mean the sex they were born as could never be referred to?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Why do you feel the need to refer to it? Outside of medical reasons, it's not really anyone's business.
Deleted User wrote: » Why do you feel the need to refer to it? Outside of medical reasons, it's not really anyone's business.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » No amount of shouting down will change the fact trans people exist though and they exist legally in Ireland for the last 5 years.
oyvey wrote: » It shouldn't come up in a situation where two people might hook up on a night out?
Rodin wrote: » And if the number is really that few, why are we constantly hearing about it in the national discourse? Why do people want it taught in primary schools?
VillageIdiot71 wrote: » Hard one to manage, but can I suggest that it doesn't help a person who has a delusion about their weight if we join in the delusion. Equally, I'd wonder how it helps a man with a delusion about being a woman if we join in the delusion.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » We probably keep hearing about it constantly because whenever there is any suggestion of basic human decency, the 'won't someone please keep of the children' outrage brigade get up on their high horses and shout loudly. I guess people might want it taught in primary schools because there are transgender kids in primary schools - so teaching about transgender provides a sound basis for kids in those classes who have never encountered the issue. Why would you be afraid about basic education? It might seem like a mad idea, but I'd be inclined to listen to experts in both cases about the best way to deal with them, rather than to the shower on boards.
Wanderer78 wrote: » Did the protest go ahead in Dublin yesterday about this?
the immortals wrote: » Yes, I would put the crowd at about 600 maybe more, some of the speeches are up on you tube, not a word from the msm about it,
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