MickeyLeari wrote: » That is my understanding but I think we are facing another lock down. That will atop people taking holidays.
Nijmegen wrote: » This was posted a few pages back. New Zealand is doing precisely that - it is limiting the number of its own citizens who can return to the country per day.
Van.Bosch wrote: » Yeah but I doubt we would do that - not saying we should/shouldn’t but doubt the govt. would have the balls
Nijmegen wrote: » This probably isn’t going to help aviation if it keeps happening. 15 of 23 cases notified today associated with overseas travel and the R rate is at or above 1.https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1281278965026619392?s=21
dfx- wrote: » why is the country hyperventilating about 23 cases and other single digit cases days? We had a 'spike' in cases that was in total 8 earlier in the week. These sorts of numbers have been the same for a month or more, it's not a huge increase. Is 23 cases unmanageable?
goingnowhere wrote: » We had several days of 20-25 last week. This is the new normal, thats 7 per 100,000/2 weeks and that not half bad. The simplest solution to this entire mess is ban travel from a list of countries if you have spent even 1 minute there in the last 14 days. This is not an uncommon protocol. Stop people getting on planes in the first place. Looking at the list from last week where travel cases came from it read as a list of hot spot countries... It is madness we have NO restrictions, anyone from anywhere can fly here. Why are we unwilling to take appropriate steps to protect ourselves. Had we set down some rules we would have prevented a significant number of recent cases Basically allow only EEA less Portugal, UK, Sweden. New Zealand would be fine for example but they have no direct flights so unless they transit a safe EU country, sorry...
goingnowhere wrote: » Basically allow only EEA less Portugal, UK, Sweden.
Limpy wrote: » Thank **** the lads in the North have some sense. I'm gonna fly back to Belfast or via London to Ireland. Ireland's quarantine policy will be dictated by Boris and Arlene lol
EchoIndia wrote: » NI quarantine policy doesn't apply to the Republic. You would still be regarded as a person who has entered Ireland from overseas, even if you have chosen a circuitous route. Where does personal responsibility come in??
Limpy wrote: » My personal responsibility is the same overseas as when i get a bus to work in Ireland or have lunch in the staff canteen. The virus is here to stay. Learn to live with it. Its your choice, but don't try guilt trip anyone who travels.
Nijmegen wrote: » It's about the transmission. Hong Kong announced today they're shutting all schools again because they have reached 30-40 cases per day. The reason they're doing this is because the virus transmission expands exponentially if it is transmitting in the community and we're all out and about. https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0710/1152444-world-covid19-coronavirus/ Their R number has climbed significantly in recent days https://covid19.sph.hku.hk/ Their mean estimate is 2.5 or so, up from a low of 0.15 on June 7. It was back above 1 by June 22 and has been stubbornly above 2 for about a week now. Yesterday at the health briefing, we were told that ours has climbed now to at or above an R of 1. If that continues to climb in the coming days and stays high, ala Hong Kong, that's why you'll get further restrictions. The neat thing about Covid is that we have always been a few weeks to a few months behind other parts of the world to get fairly predictable models of what's going to happen. Right down to the panic buying the day of the first restrictions / closing schools, which had happened in a bunch of places beforehand. That would be all well and good if your personal responsibility didn't have a societal knock on effect. If you travel and get sick and bring the virus home, the following things can happen to others who had no say in your choice: You can transmit the virus to others, who may not have the same rude health as you You may require hospitalisation, and as well as taking up resources you will be putting a health worker at high risk of contracting the virus If you're among a large enough cohort of people doing it, restrictions may need to be brought in that shuts the economy down Public health officials are begging people not to travel. Cases imported from travel are increasing and so is the reproductive number of the virus. As to us vs Aus and NZ and the UK link, perfectly clear we have a problem if they're taking different steps and we're not prepared to control the border. It feels as though government is afraid to take proactive steps - like banning vs advising against certain types of travel or enforcing isolation on arrival - because they don't want to get caught with the cost of it. I wonder what the cost of a second lockdown would be. Meanwhile, in news that will delight Ryanair given they are unlikely to need state support: https://www.thejournal.ie/eamon-ryan-airlines-5145708-Jul2020/
LXFlyer wrote: » I don't think that poster is "guilt tripping" anyone who travels - we are perfectly free to do so, even though it's not recommended right now. And we all do indeed have to live with the virus. But what the new normal does involve is all of us taking responsibility for our actions. That extends to observing quarantine periods if the State introduces them, even if you take an indirect route from a country on a quarantine list to Ireland. Otherwise, frankly, you are showing two fingers to the rest of us.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Self isolation measures don't apply to anyone traveling from the North.https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/travel.html
LXFlyer wrote: » I know that - my earlier posts reference the open border. I am referring to someone flying into NI from a country that is on the Irish government restricted list, and then travelling over the border into Ireland simply to avoid the quarantine rules that might be in place. That's simply trying to get around a public health rule for the sake of it. I do think that in those circumstances people do have a civic responsibility to the rest of society to observe the quarantine rules.
Aircraft lessor Nordic Aviation Capital’s creditors have agreed to shelve repayments on its $6 billion (€5.3 billion) debt for up to 12 months, the company confirmed on Thursday. Limerick-headquartered Nordic sought to defer repayment of part of the principal and interest that it owes after Covid-19 travel bans forced airlines to which it had leased aircraft to suspended rent due to the company.
Cookiemunster wrote: » But NI has a green list. As does most of Europe. You've not broken any rules by flying into Belfast from a green listed destination and then traveling South without self isolating. I honestly don't see the point anymore of the Irish requirement.
LXFlyer wrote: » I imagine that will soo n change, and we will see a green list introduced here. And I personally would agree with it. We are stuck, due to the land border with NI with having to follow on from whatever changes happen there and in GB. Re flying into Belfast and then driving directly into Ireland, no you aren’t breaking the rules technically, but you are bending them to the extreme to get around public health measures. That argument is akin to getting off speeding charges on a technicality - it doesn’t mean that it’s right to do it in the first place. At the end of the day, we either follow our country’s public health professional’s advice or we don’t. Maybe I’m old fashioned, but I’d like to think most people do.
Captain_Crash wrote: » I understand where your trying to come from and I agree with you with regards to the ethics of it. But someone doing that isn't even bending any rules let alone breaking them, they are in fact following them to the letter. Arrive in NI from EU? allowed Travel from NI to ROI without the requirement to self isolate? allowed So people who do it may have a dodgy moral compass but not a single rule has been broken. The speeding analogy doesn't fit because getting off a ticket on a technicality still means ya broke the law, it but they couldn't convict, where as the travel via NI, there is no rules broken (I use rules there as its not a law anyway, just rules)
smurfjed wrote: » The leasing companies are also getting hammered. Nordic have about 500 aircraft on their books.
Nordic owes creditors $6 billion and has $2 billion in equity.
smurfjed wrote: » @gaoth laidir, Doesn’t it just become an uncontrolled airport if ATC aren’t operating?
