bogman_bass wrote: » Lads with yellow reg’s doing the buying i’d Say
Bass Reeves wrote: » 3.65 becoming common all over the place.
Anto_Meath wrote: » Seen LM heifers sold in Carnaross today 710 Kgs €1,510 685 Kgs €1,590 630 Kgs €1,610 615 Kgs €1,630 Serious heifers and a credit to the farmer who owned them but them prices would suggest a that more than €3:65 is available somewhere. €2:20 per kg was available free and ready for any heifer near fit
ruwithme wrote: » €3.65 base price for heifers this week in liffey meats cavan
leoch wrote: » Anybody no any lads finishing 1000s..??surly if there is any they would need a signed contract on a guaranteed price before making that kind of commitment...i no one big lad up North of the country finishes that many and more and same number in sheep and sells fert and meal and has a man on road all over ireland full time buying mostly bulls.....employs a good few men feeding etc...big bussiness
Bass Reeves wrote: » well is there a price rise or is it the same as last week
locha wrote: » Anyone hear of prices for next week? Rise coming apparently...
jntsnk wrote: » And the spring born Jan calves in ‘18 are just starting to hit the 30month deadline so normally in a few weeks the pressure starts to mount on the farmers. It’s a crazy setup as it erodes the only negotiation power the farmer has. Just as the factories intend.
morphy87 wrote: » Would it be unusual for a rise in July? Why is the rise coming and for how long do you reckon, I reckon they can’t have the price to bad the fall of the year as a lot of lads won’t fill sheds, know a few last year that didn’t and two more this year
Bass Reeves wrote: » Capital costs are horrendous. Winter finishing eats nitrates allowance's. Therefore a lot of lads saw it as a single business. It was attractive to tillage lads. It seemed a good bet, a break crop (beet) that could be used within the farm and a competitive advantage in using home grown grain and straw to finish cattle. As well the nutrient value of slurry the following spring came into play as well. But costs are horrendous, reduced BPS no longer shelter losses and capital costs versus profit make sad reading over the last two winters. 300 cattle costing 300-350k add in 60-100k+ for total feeding costs to achieve a profit of 20-30k and for the last two years this translated into a loss of 20k+ It seemed to easy to feed these cattle for 3-5 months using machinery that would be parked up for the winter and when the workload was low. But stupid is what stupid dose and some lads will be afraid someone else will make a few bob
morphy87 wrote: » The lads I know that got out and are thinking of getting out they would finish from 350 to 500 animals
leoch wrote: » When u say these guys are big finishers how many would they finish
Bass Reeves wrote: » July is usually a month where usually you see little movement in prices. Usually processors would have pulled in early mid June and price would be static during July. However it has happened before.Maybe once every 5-7 years mostly due to stock availability. problem with strong autumn prices is stores can be expensive. If price is strong lads with FS2=/3- cattle are inclined to kill them. So processors end up competing with finishers indirectly, However confidence in winter finishing is at an all time low. Risk carried by finishers is huge. Critical time is not just the autumn but as harvest of tillage gets underway. Grian prices may be strong this year. The tempetation for lads that have tillage and fattening operations will be to sell grain if prices are strong, as well finisher specalising in straights and using wholecrop may lack confidence to to put 60K of feed in a yard to feed 300 cattle Another issue is if summer finishers have a better summer than expected they will have money in the pocket to compete at ringside for what may be scarce cattle
kk.man wrote: » Heard same... could be 10c more next week
Bass Reeves wrote: » Yes you can however you have to factor in journey time. As well cattle going North have to be unloaded and reloaded for dept inspection AFAIK at an inspection point. Nobody would be sending them if they were treated as nomads. There are agents that buy for northern factories. I be a bit too far south and do not kill the numbers together to justify it but a neighbor send a load of heifers up about five years ago he was happy but after allowing for extra weight loss and extra carriage ( only partially subsidised ) it only worked out at 15-20/ head exyi
leoch wrote: » Can we kill cattle outselves in the north threw say a rep or are they cut as nomad cattle
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