Eir rural FTTH thread III

shaveAbullock wrote: »

High usage customers can easy use 4 - 6 TB a month on an uncapped sercice.
The 1 TB FUP on digiweb is not to ensure everyone stays below the FUP or to punish those that do go over it but to discurage the realky heavy users from sigining up. This allows them to offer competative prices for those that are not heavy users.

I'm not saying I like that business model but it would seem to work for them.

Then those data hogs need to pay for it. I recall someone once posted the wholesale price of a TB and was surprised at how high it was. I suspect a 4-6 TB user would be nonprofitable.

Arrival wrote: »

It's up to 3GB per hour for 1080p, and up to 7GB for 4k. If you've 2 or more screens streaming 4+ hours a day, which wouldn't be uncommon especially at the moment, you'd easily be close to hitting 1TB and that's just for streaming TV/films. No idea why anyone would defend such a pathetic usage limit in this day and age

High usage customets can easily use 4 - 6 TB a month on an uncapped sercice.
The 1 TB FUP on digiweb is not to ensure everyone stays below the FUP or to punish those that do not but to discurage the really heavy users from sigining up. This allows them to offer competative prices for those that are not heavy users.

I'm not saying I like that business model but that it would seem to work for them. And it works for their customer's. If it's not for you there are other companies.

Grnsj

The average VDSL subscriber uses 210GB per month.
The average FTTH subscriber uses 219GB.
The average cable subscriber uses 289GB.

This place is completely out of touch with reality.

Arrival wrote: »

It's up to 3GB per hour for 1080p, and up to 7GB for 4k. If you've 2 or more screens streaming 4+ hours a day, which wouldn't be uncommon especially at the moment, you'd easily be close to hitting 1TB and that's just for streaming TV/films. No idea why anyone would defend such a pathetic usage limit in this day and age

High usage customers can easy use 4 - 6 TB a month on an uncapped sercice.
The 1 TB FUP on digiweb is not to ensure everyone stays below the FUP or to punish those that do go over it but to discurage the realky heavy users from sigining up. This allows them to offer competative prices for those that are not heavy users.

I'm not saying I like that business model but it would seem to work for them.

Arrival

shaveAbullock wrote: »

True but 1TB a month probably covers the vast majority of people.
Most people just spend loads of time watching netflix at 1080p(2GB an hour)

It's up to 3GB per hour for 1080p, and up to 7GB for 4k. If you've 2 or more screens streaming 4+ hours a day, which wouldn't be uncommon especially at the moment, you'd easily be close to hitting 1TB and that's just for streaming TV/films. No idea why anyone would defend such a pathetic usage limit in this day and age

Video wrote: »

Well that's a pretty poor business model , it's 2020 , people have never consumed more data than right now.

True but 1TB a month probably covers the vast majority of people.
Most people just spend loads of time watching netflix at 1080p(2GB an hour)
Seems like a good business modle to attract these lower usage customers to increase profit margins.

shaveAbullock wrote: »

What if their business model is based on having a network that only supports low consumption users?

Well that's a pretty poor business model , it's 2020 , people have never consumed more data than right now.

Video wrote: »

surely digiweb would drop it...i imagine there's a lot of customers like me who want to switch to them but won't ..... just because of that outdated policy

What if their business model is based on having a network that only supports low consumption users?

surely digiweb would drop it...i imagine there's a lot of customers like me who want to switch to them but won't ..... just because of that outdated policy

William_Flynn wrote: »

Vodafone have removed their fair usage policy for data usage since May 2020 see https://n.vodafone.ie/terms/fixed.html section 31.

Correction:
They no longer have an absolute cap, just general wording that your usage must not negatively impact their network or be business or illegal.

sounds like if you use maybe 2 or 3tb in a month you'll probably be fine but start using up 5+tb every month and they may have an issue with it. That's decent enough, it's cap free more or less once you don't completely abuse the network with huge downloads every single month.

That just leaves Digiweb and Pure Telecom with a 1tb limit still in place.
Sky FTTH is 2tb

William_Flynn

Gonzo wrote: »

Vodafone, Pure Telecom, and Digiweb all have a 1tb fair usage policy buried in their contracts on all FTTH plans while Sky I think has a 2tb fair usage policy with their FTTH plans.

Vodafone have removed their fair usage policy for data usage since May 2020 see https://n.vodafone.ie/terms/fixed.html section 31.

Correction:
They no longer have an absolute cap, just general wording that your usage must not negatively impact their network or be business or illegal.

Arrival wrote: »

Cheers for the explanation! I'd say we could leave the TV, Vodafones Gigabit for €40 seems very good, hopefully something like that is available when the contract finishes up. Also I just want to be sure because I can't seem to find the answer for definite on the site, but is there a fair usage policy for us since we're a newer customer with them? As long as it's not 1TB I wouldn't mind but something >5TB would be ideal

once your contract with Vodafone expires then it does sound best to go with either Airwire or Eir as both of those have no fair usage policy. Westnet also have no fair usage policy if you live in Mayo or a few surrounding areas.

Vodafone, Pure Telecom, and Digiweb all have a 1tb fair usage policy buried in their contracts on all FTTH plans while Sky I think has a 2tb fair usage policy with their FTTH plans.

Arrival

Gonzo wrote: »

sounds like you are in the middle of a contract if you've only had it since March. The only way you will get an upgrade is if Eir decide at any point to upgrade the 150 service to 500, but they are not using the 500 profile so doesn't look like you'll get an upgrade as you are still on a contract for the 150.

If Eir are still only offering 150 and 1000 by the time your contract expires, you would be best going with either Airwire or Digiweb for 500 but neither offer TV. Vodafone might be your best option as they have deals on the 500 plan and offer a TV service as well.

Cheers for the explanation! I'd say we could leave the TV, Vodafones Gigabit for €40 seems very good, hopefully something like that is available when the contract finishes up. Also I just want to be sure because I can't seem to find the answer for definite on the site, but is there a fair usage policy for us since we're a newer customer with them? As long as it's not 1TB I wouldn't mind but something >5TB would be ideal

Arrival wrote: »

We've 150Mb with eir and TV for ~€50/m since March, would you think we'd have any chance of getting a decent upgrade for the same price?

sounds like you are in the middle of a contract if you've only had it since March. The only way you will get an upgrade is if Eir decide at any point to upgrade the 150 service to 500, but they are not using the 500 profile so doesn't look like you'll get an upgrade as you are still on a contract for the 150.

If Eir are still only offering 150 and 1000 by the time your contract expires, you would be best going with either Airwire or Digiweb for 500 but neither offer TV. Vodafone might be your best option as they have deals on the 500 plan and offer a TV service as well.

Arrival

We've 150Mb with eir and TV for ~€50/m since March, would you think we'd have any chance of getting a decent upgrade for the same price?

Video wrote: »

Are these FTTH lines capable of higher than 1gb, hell i don't even need the full 300mbps but it's always good to know there's future-proofing there

The Eir Rural FTTH rollout is not capable of going beyond 1 gig per customer unless Eir decide to also run XGS-PON along side it in the future which would enable speeds of up to 10 gigs. Siro is also in the same position as the Eir Rural rollout, it's Gpon.

Eir's urban rollout and the NBI (national broadband plan for rural areas) will be XGS-PON from day 1 and supports speeds up to 10 gigs.

It will only be a matter of time before Eir upgrade the rural network to support speeds beyond 1 gig, same with Siro, they will have to do it eventually.

Gonzo wrote: »

They say after 2 years the price goes back to 85 a month but I've a feeling it wont be as most of the country will be on 500+ by then, perhaps we might start to see plans beyond 1 gig start to appear by then.

Are these FTTH lines capable of higher than 1gb, hell i don't even need the full 300mbps but it's always good to know there's future-proofing there

That makes sense on the basis of the wholesale price for 150 becoming the same as for 500.

cnocbui wrote: »

Sorry, my bad, it was Vodafone: https://n.vodafone.ie/shop/broadband.html

€30 per month for 12 months for 500 or 1000 and than a €10 difference after the 12month price jump.

looks like Vodafone are possibly dropping the 150 plan too, i don't see it listed anymore.

limnam wrote: »

After paying 60 odd euro a month for 3mb for so long I have a false sense of value.

I would have bit an ISP's hand off for 30mb+ for 85

We all did at some stage! I was happily paying well in excess of £100 per month for 64k ISDN back in the day just so that I could play Quake 2 and Counter-Strike between the cost of the line rental and the dial up charges.

If only I had the latency I have now back in those days it would have been amazing!

Gonzo wrote: »

Eir don't have a 500 plan. They only have 2 plans, 150 and 1000.

150 = 1 year contract.
1000 = 2 year contract.

Sorry, my bad, it was Vodafone: https://n.vodafone.ie/shop/broadband.html

€30 per month for 12 months for 500 or 1000 and than a €10 difference after the 12month price jump.

limnam

Gonzo wrote: »

no way would I ever pay 85 a month for broadband!

After paying 60 odd euro a month for 3mb for so long I have a false sense of value.

I would have bit an ISP's hand off for 30mb+ for 85

cnocbui wrote: »

Eir have the same price for 500 as 1000 on the initial 12 month contract.

Eir don't have a 500 plan. They only have 2 plans, 150 and 1000.

150 = 1 year contract.
1000 = 2 year contract.

Video wrote: »

I wonder if eir allow existing customers to take the €55 per month 1gig offer if they sign for a new contract or is that for new customers only

The 55 a month is for new customers only or existing customers who have never had FTTH before.

For existing Eir customers who have expired FTTH contracts its 65 a month for 24 months, same price as the now retired 300 plan.

They say after 2 years the price goes back to 85 a month but I've a feeling it wont be as most of the country will be on 500+ by then, perhaps we might start to see plans beyond 1 gig start to appear by then. If the price does revert to 85 by then i'll be changing fairly quickly, no way would I ever pay 85 a month for broadband!

Eir have the same price for 500 as 1000 on the initial 12 month contract.

Video wrote: »

I wonder if eir allow existing customers to take the €55 per month 1gig offer if they sign for a new contract or is that for new customers only

I believe they do, if you sign a 24 month contract. It seems as if that's the deal Gonzo got as an existing customer.

I wonder if eir allow existing customers to take the €55 per month 1gig offer if they sign for a new contract or is that for new customers only

MBSnr

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Why would anyone pay an extra 5 euro a month with digiweb for the slower 500mbs package?

Not sure I follow. Digiweb is the same price for 12 months at 65 pm for 1GB without phone (less if new customer as only 25 euro for 1st 3 months then 65).

After 12 months it goes up to 70 pm but I'm sure then there'd be another offer.

Look under the Additional Info tab here
https://digiweb.ie/product/lightning-1000/
https://digiweb.ie/product/lightning-500/