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ESB eCars

liamog

Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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eagerv

Silent Running wrote: »

EV parking is free in any council car park in Waterford, charging or not... well it was up to and including last year. It has been renewed yearly (January) for the last few years. A quick call to the council offices will confirm if it's still available this year.

They told me when I phoned Waterford and Wexford parking was free only when charging and for a max of 3 hours, but they didn't sound too certain, they said local signage should state. Never seen any signs re EVs.:)

Cyrus

it doesnt matter that much to me really as i have charging at home and really the only time ill charge outside of that is fast charging at ionity on a longer trip but what will be left as free ac charging options, just whatever private enterprises are offering? Like hotels, shops etc?

Silent Running

eagerv wrote: »

They told me when I phoned Waterford and Wexford parking was free only when charging and for a max of 3 hours, but they didn't sound too certain, they said local signage should state. Never seen any signs re EVs.:)

Ask the local parking attendant. That's where I first heard about it, and they're the ones that would ticket a car.

Cyrus

Silent Running wrote: »

Ask the local parking attendant. That's where I first heard about it, and they're the ones that would ticket a car.

they would need to be aware of whats an ev and whats not

Silent Running

Cyrus wrote: »

they would need to be aware of whats an ev and whats not

They seem to be.

eagerv

Silent Running wrote: »

Ask the local parking attendant. That's where I first heard about it, and they're the ones that would ticket a car.

He told me no charge provided plugged in, but would ticket any car EV or otherwise if not plugged in as he doesn't know the difference..

mp3guy

eagerv wrote: »

He told me no charge provided plugged in, but would ticket any car EV or otherwise if not plugged in as he doesn't know the difference..

So plug in but tell car not to draw any charge?

ELM327

Cyrus wrote: »

it doesnt matter that much to me really as i have charging at home and really the only time ill charge outside of that is fast charging at ionity on a longer trip but what will be left as free ac charging options, just whatever private enterprises are offering? Like hotels, shops etc?

Yes. The likes of some easygo AC chargers, all tesla destination chargers, other one offs at hotels and restaurants etc

This has the potential to do for AC what it did for DC. Free it up for those who need it

JPA

eagerv wrote: »

He told me no charge provided plugged in, but would ticket any car EV or otherwise if not plugged in as he doesn't know the difference..

https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/departments/roads-parking/parking.htm

ELM327

mp3guy wrote: »

So plug in but tell car not to draw any charge?

You can see on the charger if power is being drawn.

Silent Running

JPA wrote: »

https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/departments/roads-parking/parking.htm

Well, there ya go. That clears it up.

JPA

Silent Running wrote: »

Well, there ya go. That clears it up.

Kinda. You might still get a ticket but win your appeal!

zg3409

22kW pricing

https://esb.ie/ecars/news/2020/2020/07/08/esb-ecars-introduce-pricing-on-the-standard-chargers-to-support-continued-ev-network-expansion?fbclid=IwAR263HsIJ7bixCLHoQ9KruoSsSJRgP-ze9FfX3b5LRhfBCqu42UKV8sBv08

- Pay As You Go is charged at 26.8c per kWh

- Membership is a €4.60 monthly subscription fee and a reduced charge of 23c per kWh

Silent Running

JPA wrote: »

Kinda. You might still get a ticket but win your appeal!

The parking attendant I spoke to - a youngish man - was well up on it and seemed to know visually what cars qualified. I suppose there are good and bad in every job though.

eagerv

Silent Running wrote: »

Well, there ya go. That clears it up.

It was actually Co Wexford that I was chatting to the attendant, now that I think of it, must look up their rules..

Silent Running

eagerv wrote: »

It was actually Co Wexford that I was chatting to the attendant, now that I think of it, must look up their rules..

I can tell you that one. Officially, parking free while charging up to a maximum of 3 hours.

Unofficially, once you're plugged in, the lads don't even look to see if you're actually charging. They will ticket a non EV in a charging spot though.

ELM327

zg3409 wrote: »

22kW pricing

https://esb.ie/ecars/news/2020/2020/07/08/esb-ecars-introduce-pricing-on-the-standard-chargers-to-support-continued-ev-network-expansion?fbclid=IwAR263HsIJ7bixCLHoQ9KruoSsSJRgP-ze9FfX3b5LRhfBCqu42UKV8sBv08

Once it's the same sub for AC and DC that's pretty ok

unkel

And their reason for bringing in charges is the first sentence of the announcement:

"To support further investment and its continued commitment to upgrading Ireland’s electric vehicle (EV) public charging network"

Further investment? Continued upgrading?

That's disingenious at best. The revenue from charging for AC charging won't be anything but a tiny fraction of the EUR10 million we gave the ESB years ago to install some very fast charging hubs. Don't know where the money has gone, but we haven't seen a single one of those yet...

Don't get me wrong here, the charging for (slow) charging was always going to happen. Might as well do it now rather than next year. More so to free up the resources for those who need it - mostly the people who can't charge at home or in work.

liamog

unkel wrote: »

"To support further investment and its continued commitment to upgrading Ireland’s electric vehicle (EV) public charging network"

Would unkel.inc have invested in an onstreet charging network whilst the free network from eCars was available? Maybe now we'll see more commercial projects led by local authorities.

ELM327

I'd say easygo will start charging for AC pretty soon.
They actually have around 33% of the ecars volume of SCPs already

AndyBoBandy

unkel wrote: »

And their reason for bringing in charges is the first sentence of the announcement:

"To support further investment and its continued commitment to upgrading Ireland’s electric vehicle (EV) public charging network"

Further investment? Continued upgrading?

Every 3-4 years, the AC revenue should pay for another Super Duper Lightening Fast 150kW DC Charger...... which will only just replace a 50Kw DC unit.

I was looking around PlugShare this morning, and if ever a picture showed how little support the main routes get from ESB, it was this one, (This is half way between Dublin & Belfast).

(granted the picture is 18 months old, but the site is still listed as having 1 unit only.

And here it is again from another angle...

I seriously hope one of the 50kWh units being removed for a 150kWh unit goes in above, and in locations similar to it.

unkel

liamog wrote: »

Would unkel.inc have invested in an onstreet charging network whilst the free network from eCars was available?

Tesla and Ionity invested heavily (and none or almost none of it from our tax payers money) in very fast networks while the tax payer funded ESB illegally and unfairly competed with them by providing free fast charging

ELM327

That photo from Andybobandy above shows why people are mad if they are buying non Tesla EVs

blue chuzzle

ELM327 wrote: »

I'd say easygo will start charging for AC pretty soon.
They actually have around 33% of the ecars volume of SCPs already

AFAIK in the UK there are plenty of charging companies and for a lot of them you can pay a subscription (say, £8 a month) that gives you unlimited charging at their slow chargers which are all over the place.

i expect easygo will follow that model once they have enough chargers to support it and they seem to be expanding rapidly.

if there was a €10 fee a month for unlimited access to slow charging that would make much more sense - or if there were much lower night rates. With the amount of renewable electricity being generated, the wholesale cost for electricity at night must be basically 0.

not having a flat fee at a low rate or a extremely low night rate for slow charging is discriminatory against people without driveways.

The ESB are a joke when it comes to car charging planning and implementation.

blue chuzzle

ELM327 wrote: »

That photo from Andybobandy above shows why people are mad if they are buying non Tesla EVs

totally agree! i used a supercharger for the first time last weekend and it was amazing.

mp3guy

ELM327 wrote: »

That photo from Andybobandy above shows why people are mad if they are buying non Tesla EVs

Bit of a weird statement, what are you suggesting? People in Ireland should only buy Teslas?

ELM327

mp3guy wrote: »

Bit of a weird statement, what are you suggesting? People in Ireland should only buy Teslas?

What I'm suggesting is that the esb network is so far behind the infrastructure offered by others.

eddhorse

Is there an overstay fee for using the standard AC chargers?
There is no overstay fee on AC standard chargers. However, we will continue to monitor this and may look to introduce an overstay fee in the future.

To the guy in the Nissan Leaf who started giving out to me at 4pm for leaving my BWM i3 charging in Park West since 10am.
That is not my car, lol. Mine is the one beside it.

ELM327

No overstay as it doesnt make sense for destination charging.

liamog

unkel wrote: »

Tesla and Ionity invested heavily (and none or almost none of it from our tax payers money) in very fast networks while the tax payer funded ESB illegally and unfairly competed with them by providing free fast charging

There was nothing illegal about eCars not charging for charging, Ionity and Tesla are delivering a global network and aren't particularly interested in the economics of a particular charging location.

It's great to see EasyGo on the market and expanding, same as CircleK and Applegreen getting in on the game.