jm08 wrote: » Your primary concern is financial which you have articulated. I'm not telling you to stay out of anything. You, yourself are opting out of it because you don't have a vote in Irish referenda because you are not an Irish citizen even though you are eligible to be. You have one issue which is financial.
munsterlegend wrote: » Gaa is not a middle class sport by any stretch of the imagination.
jm08 wrote: » So small numbers numbers then?
Yeah_Right wrote: » I own property in Ireland, have lived, worked and paid taxes in Ireland for over a decade, I married an Irish girl and voted in general elections yet I'm not committed to Ireland in your eyes. I reckon that even if I took out Irish citizenship, you would still tell me to stay out of it as I wouldn't understand the issues like a "real" Irishman.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Come on there is a certain element that go to LOI games looking for trouble. Same as in Britain the main reason there is less trouble at GAA games is because it is a bit more middle class these days in comparison to soccer. Plus in the GAA many see themselves as 'Gaels' by and large most Gaels would not attack each other. In Britain they have the same issue with thier working class who follow darts and soccer etc. Not the crowd who follow rugby. I would see it more as a similarity rather than a difference. Same societal issues in Britain as in the ROI as the lifestyle and cultures across all demographics are much the same. Whether you like it or not, people will struggle to pinpoint the differences between Irishness and Britishness away from politics.
jm08 wrote: » When supporters are being segregated and terraces removed, I think you will be able to claim that sporting occasions in Ireland are like in England/Scotland.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It does when you factor in the small crowds at the games also it debunks the myth that Irish supporters are different to British ones. It is all class based if you pick the LCM from the working class more likely to be trouble makers. Same thing the world over. Plus as I have already said it is these working class in the ROI who would be mouthing about border polls and the like. Fits in with the macho image.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is just an example, there are more recent ones as well trouble on the hill between Kerry and Dublin supporters 2019. Mix drink/drugs and macho young fellas it can happen anytime. I saw a Dublin fella going around randomly stabbing people after one game off his head on drugs. Irish people are a lot like the Brits in more ways than one.
munsterlegend wrote: » That’s more to do groups congregating together though I have sat with other supporters many times and never an issue. No steward moved me either.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Saying there is no trouble at Irish sporting events is being willfully blind, you have already being given examples of Shamrock Rovers and Bohs firms. Even given the really small numbers of crowds there. Also there has been many altercation at GAA games in the past.https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/dublin-kerry-gaa-fans-brawl-20067841 Granted not planned like the soccer crowd but trouble none the less. For someone to have to try and claim this as a cultural difference making the Irish different to the Brits does not say much. As there is little difference between the two nations as you well know. Being a fan of Rugby (an English invention) you know this. As did Eamon De Valera who liked rugby from his Blackrock college days. But Dev eventually sought compromise and knew there was more similarities than difference between Ireland and Britain.
RobMc59 wrote: » It matters if you're an Everton fan
munsterlegend wrote: » Does it matter? It wasn’t just one match either that caused the ban but a combination of events Involving different teams over years. Trouble was rampant in the English game in particular. If it was just liverpool why not just ban Liverpool? But no all English clubs were banned. Anyway this has little to do with reunification.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » In LOI games the crowds are not permitted to mingle no matter how small. It is a class issue rather than a cultural one.
RobMc59 wrote: » You are aware whose fans got British football banned from European competition aren't you?
munsterlegend wrote: » Yep where it should be! Great to go a gaa match and have crowds mingle without separation. If you did that in England you’d have mass murder.
munsterlegend wrote: » I am not comparing Irish and British people by using sports events. Britain has a terrible football hooligan problem. It got banned from Europe for years and it’s national team has to be put on an island at a World Cup. There are countless other examples of trouble. Irish people do not have that reputation for sporting events. Gaa does not have an issue with spectators causing trouble . To say otherwise is a fabrication.
jm08 wrote: » Yes, we're completely different to everyone else. Most of the agro is on the pitch!
munsterlegend wrote: » The Secretary of State can call a border poll whenever he/she wants.
RobMc59 wrote: » I don't know what happened in croke park exactly as there are conflicting accounts and neither do you,it was a hundred years ago. Regarding the civilians murdered by assassination squads,it was on the same day as events at croke park.
The Times, which during the war was a pro-Unionist publication, ridiculed Dublin Castle's version of events,[41] as did a British Labour Party delegation visiting Ireland at the time. British Brigadier Frank Percy Crozier, technically in command that day, later resigned over what he believed was the official condoning of the unjustified actions of the Auxiliaries in Croke Park. One of his officers told him that, "Black and Tans fired into the crowd without any provocation whatsoever".[7] Two military courts of inquiry into the massacre were held, and one found that "the fire of the RIC was carried out without orders and exceeded the demands of the situation." Major General Boyd, the officer commanding Dublin District, added that in his opinion, "the firing on the crowd was carried out without orders, was indiscriminate, and unjustifiable, with the exception of any shooting which took place inside the enclosure." The findings of these courts of inquiry were suppressed by the British Government, and only came to light in 2000.
jm08 wrote: » Actually, its origins were an ethnic slur on Irish people.
But the term “hooligan” used in English today does not come from an Irish word meaning “troublemaker,” “vandal,” or anything associated with soccer. Instead, it is widely believed to come from an Irish surname, either Houlihan or O’Hooligan. Whichever it was, the name was used in Victorian England as a byword for ethnic stereotypes of the Irish as disreputable low-lives. That usage is thought to have been spread through the music halls of the time, where vaudevillians acted out comic sketches and songs. A character named “Hooligan” or “O’Hooligan” regularly appeared in these performances as such a stereotype. One show featured a “Mr. Patsey O’Hooligan, whose appearance is as disreputable as his conduct is discreditable,” explained The Era, a British weekly paper that came to be known for its theater coverage, in 1894. It adds that one actor is “exceedingly comical as the wild Irishman, O’Hooligan.” Following that, “hooligan” begins to be used in England as a general term for a ruffian. That meaning appears to have been helped along by a gang that called itself “Hooligans,” as an 1898 report from the Daily News writes.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Well you can look it up if you do not believe me. But if that is supposed to be a main cultural difference between Irish and British people as a whole. It is laughable to pick. Irish people and British people are way more alike than different. No matter what your local 'RA head in the pub tells ya.
jm08 wrote: » As of now, even though you are eligible, you have not shown commitment to the Irish State or its people by ''bothering to do the paperwork''. By not ''bothering'' to do the paperwork, you have decided yourself that you have no say and are indeed a foreigner in Ireland. Nothing to do with me. I personally welcome all people who chose to make Ireland their home and show commitment to the Irish State and its people by taking out citizenship.
munsterlegend wrote: » One/two games a year hardly indicates a problem.
RobMc59 wrote: » That's correct,also the word 'hooligan'is Irish origin to describe rowdy Irish people.
munsterlegend wrote: » Will you stop talking nonsense. The amount of trouble at gaa games is virtually non existent. When you look at games in Britain where security forces have to keep everyone apart then you have an actual problem.
