munsterlegend wrote: » I am not comparing Irish and British people by using sports events. Britain has a terrible football hooligan problem. It got banned from Europe for years and it’s national team has to be put on an island at a World Cup. There are countless other examples of trouble. Irish people do not have that reputation for sporting events. Gaa does not have an issue with spectators causing trouble . To say otherwise is a fabrication.
munsterlegend wrote: » The Secretary of State can call a border poll whenever he/she wants.
jm08 wrote: » Yes, we're completely different to everyone else. Most of the agro is on the pitch!
munsterlegend wrote: » Yep where it should be! Great to go a gaa match and have crowds mingle without separation. If you did that in England you’d have mass murder.
RobMc59 wrote: » You are aware whose fans got British football banned from European competition aren't you?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » In LOI games the crowds are not permitted to mingle no matter how small. It is a class issue rather than a cultural one.
munsterlegend wrote: » Does it matter? It wasn’t just one match either that caused the ban but a combination of events Involving different teams over years. Trouble was rampant in the English game in particular. If it was just liverpool why not just ban Liverpool? But no all English clubs were banned. Anyway this has little to do with reunification.
RobMc59 wrote: » It matters if you're an Everton fan
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Saying there is no trouble at Irish sporting events is being willfully blind, you have already being given examples of Shamrock Rovers and Bohs firms. Even given the really small numbers of crowds there. Also there has been many altercation at GAA games in the past.https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/dublin-kerry-gaa-fans-brawl-20067841 Granted not planned like the soccer crowd but trouble none the less. For someone to have to try and claim this as a cultural difference making the Irish different to the Brits does not say much. As there is little difference between the two nations as you well know. Being a fan of Rugby (an English invention) you know this. As did Eamon De Valera who liked rugby from his Blackrock college days. But Dev eventually sought compromise and knew there was more similarities than difference between Ireland and Britain.
munsterlegend wrote: » That’s more to do groups congregating together though I have sat with other supporters many times and never an issue. No steward moved me either.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is just an example, there are more recent ones as well trouble on the hill between Kerry and Dublin supporters 2019. Mix drink/drugs and macho young fellas it can happen anytime. I saw a Dublin fella going around randomly stabbing people after one game off his head on drugs. Irish people are a lot like the Brits in more ways than one.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It does when you factor in the small crowds at the games also it debunks the myth that Irish supporters are different to British ones. It is all class based if you pick the LCM from the working class more likely to be trouble makers. Same thing the world over. Plus as I have already said it is these working class in the ROI who would be mouthing about border polls and the like. Fits in with the macho image.
jm08 wrote: » When supporters are being segregated and terraces removed, I think you will be able to claim that sporting occasions in Ireland are like in England/Scotland.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Come on there is a certain element that go to LOI games looking for trouble. Same as in Britain the main reason there is less trouble at GAA games is because it is a bit more middle class these days in comparison to soccer. Plus in the GAA many see themselves as 'Gaels' by and large most Gaels would not attack each other. In Britain they have the same issue with thier working class who follow darts and soccer etc. Not the crowd who follow rugby. I would see it more as a similarity rather than a difference. Same societal issues in Britain as in the ROI as the lifestyle and cultures across all demographics are much the same. Whether you like it or not, people will struggle to pinpoint the differences between Irishness and Britishness away from politics.
Yeah_Right wrote: » I own property in Ireland, have lived, worked and paid taxes in Ireland for over a decade, I married an Irish girl and voted in general elections yet I'm not committed to Ireland in your eyes. I reckon that even if I took out Irish citizenship, you would still tell me to stay out of it as I wouldn't understand the issues like a "real" Irishman.
jm08 wrote: » So small numbers numbers then?
jm08 wrote: » Your primary concern is financial which you have articulated. I'm not telling you to stay out of anything. You, yourself are opting out of it because you don't have a vote in Irish referenda because you are not an Irish citizen even though you are eligible to be. You have one issue which is financial.
munsterlegend wrote: » Gaa is not a middle class sport by any stretch of the imagination.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I wouldn't know the exact numbers but you only have to look at the areas SF TD's get thier votes from in Dublin and it is very telling. Example A. O'Snodaigh Clondalkin and Denise Mitchell Darndale and so on. The working class Dub voter those looking for 'batter fah-sil-ih-tees'. Such voters are crucial to be buttered up by SF so they can win the border poll and get a UI. Oh ah up the RA by the back door. Some may have voted SF because they like the macho image or mystic nothing else to it though.
Yeah_Right wrote: » Actually the issue I have is the happiness and wellbeing of my family and friends. Finances is part of that. I see nothing about a UI that will improve their happiness and wellbeing. Only things that will affect it negatively. Don't worry, I'll make sure that I have my Irish passport by the time a referendum happens. Will that make my opinion valid in your eyes? Somehow I doubt it.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » In theory yes. But if the poll is lost what will that do for SF etc another 7 year wait at least. Plus it is on the say so of the Sec of State in the GFA whether to call it. A poll will not be called if it is a tight call.
jm08 wrote: » Well, hopefully by then you realise that you should also be concerned with the well-being of your fellow Irish citizens (and that includes those who live north of the border as well).
BonnieSituation wrote: » We'll that was a marathon session of nonsense to wade through. Jesus.
Yeah_Right wrote: » Were you at Sinn Fein meeting?
Yeah_Right wrote: » Are those Irish citizens who choose to live in Northern Ireland concerned about the happiness and wellbeing of their fellow citizens in the Republic? Or do they think "****'em, I want a united Ireland because feelings".
maccored wrote: » you really, really don't understand the idea of everyone having their say. why is that? you re saying theres no point in discussion - thats a bit rich surely? How can there never be a time where a discussion about a UI cant take place? Who would have the right to stop other people discussing it? Going by your replies so far - I assume you think you would have the right to stop a discussion between everyone on the island? Isn't that a bit egotistical or is it because you think you can hold us all to ransom? unbelievable attitude to have in this day and age.
