blackwhite wrote: » Bad phrasing on my part maybe - but they did their best to give it all the trappings of a burial, when no burial was taking place. All for the sake of a Trump-style political rally Funny how all the SF die-hards get worked up over poor phrasing - but the key point will be ignored over, and over and over. Gotta defend the cult no matter what :rolleyes:
FrancieBrady wrote: » What regs were broken in organising the funeral? I think you'll find it was the same as the regs that a blind eye was turned to in other circumstances too and given a pass by EVERYONE who could see it happening. for empathetic reasons (in my case anyhow) But once again, we have the climb up on to the high moral ground. SF should take whatever criticism and penalties are appropriate for breaches of the regs. The high moral grounders using a funeral for political gain will soon go back from whence they came.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Sinn Fein are the only ones “using a funeral for political gain”” as you put it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » These type of funerals have been taking place for decades. Incidentally, I have been in the graveyard for a gun salute over a coffin...and that was for an old FFer who was in what is known as the Old IRA. My dad, a friend of the man, was given an engraved bullet casing after. It is still about the house here somewhere.
blackwhite wrote: » How many of those funerals involved calling to someone else's grave for a round of political speeches? How many of those brought a coffin to a graveyard with no intention of interring the coffin there? And how many of those were during a pandemic?
Speaking for the Alliance Party, Kellie Armstrong said an apology for the ministers' attendance would not have been enough and she does not believe people can trust executive messaging again on Covid-19 because of their actions. Daniel McCrossan said assembly members had to practise "what we preach". The SDLP assembly member added that his party had wanted to pay a bigger tribute to long-standing MLA John Dallat, who died in May, but chose not to because of the coronavirus guidance. He said to many people there was a "hierarchy of pain". Meanwhile, Belfast City Council has strongly denied allegations 61 people attended Mr Storey's cremation. The claim was made by UUP Belfast city councillor Jim Rodgers.
joeguevara wrote: » What are the Regulations in Northern Ireland for funerals on the date of the funeral. Similarly what are the Regulations in Republic of Ireland for travel to Northern Ireland and return to the Republic of Ireland on the date of the funeral.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Cremation, especially for Catholics, is a relatively new thing. I fully accept that this was organised to eulogise a significant figure in republican circles. But there was zero sinister about it. Those there knew it was symbolic, and serving the purpose of interring the ashes. Which is normally a separate ceremony after time has passed. In other words they wanted to eulogise the man and pay tribute to him.
FrancieBrady wrote: » In other words they wanted to eulogise the man and pay tribute to him.
blackwhite wrote: » It's a bit hard to inter the ashes before cremation - no doubt Johnny will be along soon to call you out on that "easily disproved deliberate and intentional lie" :rolleyes: Not saying it was "sinister" - just that it was nothing more than SF putting on a show for a photo op beside someone else's grave - and highlights the hypocrisy of the SF cheerleaders who constantly whine that Varadkar is obsessed with photo ops.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I fully accept that this was organised to eulogise a significant figure in republican circles. But there was zero sinister about it.
Mortelaro wrote: » As did 1000's of others in 100's of funerals but couldn't because of the rules
McMurphy wrote: » In this case the "someone else being at fault" would be Mr Blackwhite for telling a fairly easily disproved deliberate and intentional lie. The details of his funeral arrangements were widely known and planned for well in advance, you deliberately said a "pretend burial" and a "staged burial" - an out and out lie which is extraordinarily easy to disprove. His funeral arrangements always had the crystal clear arrangements for a "short commemoration and oration" after the mass at Milltown republican plot. There's plenty to criticise Sinn Fein over the funeral, but there's no need for blatant lies. Are you going to withdraw the lie, or would you like the funeral arrangements posted on the thread?
blanch152 wrote: » What makes him so ****ing special, compared to thousands that have died during this pandemic? The arrogance displayed by Sinn Fein and their supporters on this issue will have been an eye-opener. The pigs are just like the humans.
blanch152 wrote: » So you accept that it was for political reasons that an oration was held at the graveside, because there was no other reason for it to take place? Sinn Fein using a funeral for political purposes during a pandemic. Quelle surprise.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It wasn't YOU who was burying him blanch.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No bother doing it when it was a 'servant of the state' though. Which I would fully agree with and had absolutely no problem with the many visible breaches that happened there btw. I can use empathy and compassion when it is appropriate and I think EVRYONE did around that event. Bobby Storey was a huge figure in the community. His death was sudden and a shock. If you want to discard your empathy fair enough. I accept SF got it wrong and made mistakes, but trying to make it a bigger thing than it actually was is a bit disgusting of the people involved in that.
Bonniedog wrote: » Nobody buried him! It was a piece of crass street theatre. How many people who attended and lined the route knew this, that they were unpaid extras in some weirdness?
FrancieBrady wrote: » All funerals are a form of theatre Bonnie. His funeral notice said that 'afterwards there would be a short ceremony and oration'.
Mortelaro wrote: » You are comparing Bobby Storey to a murdered Garda's state Funeral
FrancieBrady wrote: » I didn't compare 'Bobby Storey' to anyone or anything Mort. Your subtlety isn't very good. I compared 'funerals'. Funerals and the bull**** that goes on around them, the fake eulogising etc makes me cringe tbh. My own instructions are to chuck me on a rubbish tip somewhere and go to the pub. No church or ceremony. Won't happen no doubt. But it will give you an idea what I think of them all, a SF one included.
Bonniedog wrote: » Any funeral i was ever at did not pretend that the person who had died was going to be buried there but wasn't
FrancieBrady wrote: » There is NO 'person' there Bonnie, at any funeral, there is a body. You fell for the theatre! You are assuming those there did not know he was to be cremated and ignoring the fact the crematorium was ready as were the PSNI and that a delagation of family and friends left the graveyard to go to the fecking crematorium. :rolleyes:
FrancieBrady wrote: » What makes anyone 'special' in death? Are we going to pretend now that everyone is treated equally in death and how they are buried? It wasn't YOU who was burying him blanch, it was his family and his community and the party he belonged to.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It was a graveside oration at the place where his ashes would be interred later. I am full sure there would be political content, politics and SF were a more than significant part of the man's life after all. But I am also sure the character of Storey the man and what he meant to people would have been addressed too. MON recited a Robert Frost poem I believe, hardly party political, is it?
FrancieBrady wrote: » No bother doing it when it was a 'servant of the state' though. Which I would fully agree with and had absolutely no problem with the many visible breaches that happened there btw. I can use empathy and compassion when it is appropriate and I think EVRYONE did around that event. Bobby Storey was a huge figure in the community. His death was sudden and a shock.If you want to discard your empathy fair enough. I accept SF got it wrong and made mistakes, but trying to make it a bigger thing than it actually was is a bit disgusting of the people involved in that.
blanch152 wrote: » I have said already that while Bobby Storey was a criminal thug who caused misery to many people, and that the world will be a nicer and safer place without him, to his family, he would be something else. If you want an empathy deficit, you just have to listen to the words of the two leaders of Sinn Fein, unapologetic for going to the funeral.
