The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
MJohnston wrote: » New ESB AC (up to 22kW) pricing from August 10th: 26.8c per kWh on PAYG 23c per kWh on the subscription plan
Gumbo wrote: » Just got the email now. This will be the death of the AC points in general. Paying for charging on top of paying for parking in Dublin means they won’t be used at all. Financially not worth it.
MJohnston wrote: » Here's a weird thing - the email from ESB says that the pricing we've had up to now is for >44kW chargers. And that this new pricing will apply to "up to 22kW" chargers. So what about AC43?
Black_Knight wrote: » And none of ye believed me.
innrain wrote: » I knew Kerry is a black spot for the EVs but didn't know it is so grey
markpb wrote: » I had the same problem at Circle K Dublin Airport. The forward space is a pain to get into because of the concrete plinth and the cable is barely long enough to reach from the unit around the back and side of my car. The rear space is completely unusable unless you U-turn in a one-way road and park facing the wrong way. I know getting FCPs installed isn't easy and anywhere is better than no-where but this site is a complete pain.
Orebro wrote: » But back to your point - why would the front of the car not be the optimal place to put a charge port? For home the front is definitely best, front better for on street charging (as you can park in the direction you're travelling in then instead of sometimes having to get the car facing the other way), and I can see it being best for rapids too?
slave1 wrote: » No just eCars, I used EasyGo yesterday, the stall to the left was taken with a model 3 and I did my absolute best to get as close as possible to the charger on the right but with the charge port of the S on the rear left and the CCS cable on the opposite side of the charger I had to stretch to the limit to get it connected, not a mm to spare!
unkel wrote: » I only hope you are joking Tesla buyers are so backwards that you have to make the car fit to whatever things they are used to from their previous cars? Maybe Musk should forget about self driving and concentrate on putting in more cassette players then
ELM327 wrote: » Etron has one DC port, which is too far back from the front and too far forward from the back. The two AC ports work well as an idea.
MJohnston wrote: » Here's the thing about front-facing ports — you can still reach them with a traditionally laid out petrol pump-style charger placement. But it's a lot more difficult to reach back-right or back-left ports with a charger placed at the front of a parking space. It's truly idiotic that ESB keep placing their charging stations like this.
KCross wrote: » Yea, all the large Norway systems (Ionity and Tesla) seem to be laid out like petrol stations alright and that makes sense in that scenario (regardless of where the port is on the car) as its harder from a real estate perspective to get 20, 30, 40 rapids in a row. But they also still have alot of rapids that you drive up to in Norway too. Ionity and Tesla dont even seem to be consistent in their approach here in Ireland, as they have newly installed chargers you drive up to. No simply solution to it. If you have the space lay it out like a petrol station but the charge port location on the car is really what they need to standardise/fix.eTron's idea is best in class so far from what I can see.
unkel wrote: » Indeed. But looking at best practice in more advanced countries where more and more EV owners do not have home or work charging (like Norway or the Netherlands), you can see that fast charging stations have mostly adopted the good old petrol station filling layout.
Orebro wrote: » I can see why Tesla put it in the same location as a fossil car - if you're going to cater for the American market then you better put it where they expect it to be, sticking at the front would be a step too far. This is the market where the car manufacturers had to keep putting in cassette players when the format was long dead elsewhere in the world!
unkel wrote: » I can understand where you're coming from. Rather relax and enjoy your lunch for an hour or so, instead of stressing out over a fiver in overstay penalties. I don't blame you! It does indicate that we should up that penalty to maybe twenty or thirty quid. Bet you would have interrupted your lunch then, to disconnect the charger and move the car. .
ELM327 wrote: » I've paid the penalty a couple of times now. Intentionally, as there were no HPC on my route and we only wanted one stop for lunch
KCross wrote: » The problem really is that the industry has not standardised on most of the things around charging.... protocols, port locations, charger orientation.
unkel wrote: » Still the same layout as at the very start of EVs I see. For cars with the charger at the optimal location (exactly the same as where we have established over the last 100 years where the optimal location of the petrol / diesel fill cap is) you can't reach with the cable if the left of the two parking spaces is taken, no matter what way you'd park* :rolleyes:* unless at least 3 spaces to the right of the occupied space are free, I have done this method several times@Kramer - in your case I would probably just have waited on Kona. Surely they would be finished and moved on within 45 minutes because of the overstay penalties? If not, then those penalties aren't stiff enough.
unkel wrote: » Still the same layout as at the very start of EVs I see. For cars with the charger at the optimal location (exactly the same as where we have established over the last 100 years where the optimal location of the petrol / diesel fill cap is) you can't reach with the cable if the left of the two parking spaces is taken, no matter what way you'd park* :rolleyes:
Black_Knight wrote: » Because 2 makes a hub, 3 is just showing off. Isn't that Galway plaza only open about 5 minutes now? And their removing/replacing/upgrading a new charger already? Why not a bit of foresight and install the 150kW unit when it opened!?
Kramer wrote: » So I rock up to the Galway Plaza hub today, really in need of a charge. In their wisdom, ESB decided to remove the 2nd DC charger, presumably, in preparation for their new super dooper 150kW unit. A Kona was charging on the only charger there now, leaving me high & dry. Why they couldn't leave the existing 50kW unit in situ, until they were ready to install the upgraded unit, I'll never know. Maybe it's an ESB thing...........I'll have to check with unkel :pac:. I waited 10 minutes & couldn't even manage to get near enough to hook up the AC for some juice - I had to move on & pray I would make it to the next charger. Thanks ECars .
