jm08 wrote: » It was a bit more than that. The slaughter in WWI made returning soldiers think that maybe having nothing to do with the British Empire might be for the best. An Independent Republic became very attractive with the threat of conscription in 1918 and that is the major reason why people voted for Sinn Fein and a Republic. The slaughter in WWI had the opposite effect on Northern Protestants who felt their sacrifice in WWI tied them even more tightly to the Empire.
RobMc59 wrote: » Indeed, in addition many British people thought they had been stabbed in the back by Ireland whilst fighting for its life against Germany.
jm08 wrote: » Seriously? About 200,000 Irish soldiers served in WW1. About 50,000 were killed.
RobMc59 wrote: » I'm referring to events in Dublin in 1916,not the brave Irish soldiers who fought against Germany.
FrancieBrady wrote: » While they Irish were fighting for you, you guys were indriscrimately shelling the heart out of Dublin, and for what?
RobMc59 wrote: » The Irish soldiers weren't fighting for us,they were us.Ireland was regarded as the 'strong right arm' of the UK back in the day.Which made the betrayal even harder to take.
RobMc59 wrote: » The Irish soldiers weren't fighting for us,they were us.Ireland was regarded as the 'strong right arm' of The Second City of The Empirehe UK back in the day.Which made the betrayal even harder to take.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » More pressing issues right now, a chara “Civic nationwide discussions” are hardly what the country needs.
downcow wrote: » What do they mean by nationwide. There is an internationally recognised national border at Newry. Which nation do they think need to discuss it?
maccored wrote: » countrywide then if you feel like being pedantic
maccored wrote: » its what a UI needs before it can happen. we need to discuss, talk and figure out what a UI is going to look like. cant have it both ways fella - cant whinge it'll never work and then whinge about discussing it.
downcow wrote: » Which country are you talking about? It’s not pedantic. It’s a bridge many republicans need to cross. You have to accept that that the gfa meant that any suggestion of the island being one nation or one country was gone by agreement until when/if the people vote otherwise. So to go on referring to it as one nation/ country is disingenuous and dishonest
maccored wrote: » No wonder Stormont is like it is if this is the kind of waffle they have to put up with. luckily for you I found some crayons. SF say every person, north and south, should have a good old yarn about a united Ireland - those who agree with the idea, those who don't agree (because how else can anyone understand their reasoning unless its expressed) and those who haven't made up their minds yet. Then see where they are. I know the whole idea of actually working with other people and not just thinking about yourselves is a very alien concept to the unionist mindset, but its what needs to happen. Everyone needs to work together.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What? You need to accept the GFA downcow - which legitimises the aspiration (Now read this bit carefully) to unite not the 'two' countries but 'the' country, singular. You refer to it/call it what you want but you accepted the aspiration of others.
downcow wrote: » Maybe you could share this phrase in its full context. I can’t find it and it seems at odds the sense of the rest of it. ?
downcow wrote: » You have to accept that that the gfa meant that any suggestion of the island being one nation or one country was gone by agreement until
FrancieBrady wrote: » It's there every time we talk about it DC. It's not a 'United Ireland & somewhere else', it's a 'United Ireland'. See another example that includes 'somewhere else'...i.e. The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.
jh79 wrote: » No mentions of "countries" at all. It is referred to as an Island with two parts obviously, otherwise it would not be partitioned!recognise that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish, accepting that this right must be achieved and exercised with and subject to the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland;
Sinzo wrote: » Partition may have been a disaster for NI and the UK but not necessarily for the south. I think that our marriage, with Europe, up to now, has been good for the south. Hopefully that will remain the case..
jh79 wrote: » It is referred to as an Island with two parts obviously, otherwise it would not be partitioned!
1. It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland,
downcow wrote: » One Colombian one equador. You are completely entitled to your opinion. I am just sharing theirs with you. It’s funny how you get defensive when people express admiration for the uk. Haha. I could have said that about any other country in the world and you would not have felt the need to rush to disagree. I reckon
Yeah_Right wrote: » It seems to me that SF supporters are the ones that go on about a UI the most. And they seem to believe that it should happen at any price. They also usually have no idea how to fund it and what actual tangible benefits it would provide Ireland. If anyone questions a UI or has doubts about it, it is SF supporters that call them West Brits or anti-democratic.
Maybe you can answer the question I have asked a few times on these threads and no UI supporter has answered; how much are you personally willing to pay for a UI? By that I mean in the form of a tax increase on pay and/or goods.
Sinzo wrote: » Because my opinion is that it will only cause a whole lot of trouble for the south and the north itself. Prior to Brexit, many individuals in the nationalist community themselves were more at home in the north along with their unionist compatriots. To carry on your analogy... I dont want a messy divorce..
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Ireland has given away/lost it's culture that is not the Brits fault in the last 100 years. I think you will find that when you look deep down. Republicanism is nothing more than a pretense at being overtly Irish. A compensation for a lack of real Irish culture or loss of same - a compensation of sorts. It is farcical and a bit pathetic in my opinion.Unionists are just as much part of the island of Ireland as Republicans are. Plus taking away the politics these days. Both Unionists have very little that is not in common - language - English, Pub Culture, Rugby, Soccer and so on.
Sinzo wrote: » TBH you're boring me. I have no interest in Sinn Fein. I'm sick of hearing about the troubles. 50 years and we are still talking back and forth. Your question has an obvious answer so if you can't work it out I can't help you.
I have no interest in reuniting the island. It is a recipe for hardship for the south.
There are much more important things happening in the world.
Are u from the north yourself ?? I suspect you might be because if you were from the south u most likely wouldn't have any interest unless of course you are one of those die hard bores that constantly repeats nationalist epithets glorifying a United Ireland. Life is too short.
Sinzo wrote: » There is a distinction to be made between this thread and you. YOU are the bore I am referring too and your insistence on going on about Sinn Fein..... The obvious answer is not obvious to you apparently so I wont bother spelling it out to you... I dont need you to state the obvious. We all have a vote. It's a democracy after all. I didn't get it wrong. There were two options. You are either from the north or the south. I guessed that you might be from the north. That was a 50 50 guess. So you must be one of those bores that drones on and on about tiocfaidh ar la... Other more important things going on in the world: Brexit Threat to the euro currency Political unrest in America People starving in Venezuela People starving in Yemen and Sudan People trafficking to Europe The uncertainty around a possible second Covid outbreak Putin recently paving the way for what could effectively be a dictatorship in Russia.. probably is already Nuclear weapons in Korea and Iran Fukushima radiation emissions World economy on the ropes Fracking 5.5 billion people on the planet who live on less than 2 dollars a day Do you want me to go on?? I dare say that my political opinion rivals yours on any day of the week.. And I couldn't give a fiddlers elbow what way you voted in the last election...
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