fr336 wrote: » How full do we think the flights newly operating today are? Must be okay otherwise they'd be cancelled right? Uptick in activity here in Luton out my left hand window but nothing like back to normal. Think there's only the one daily flight to Dublin and Belfast now whereas usually it could be four a day. And no return for Cork or Kerry yet.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Ryanair operating at 40% according to their press... I'm sure other airlines aren't even half that.... check flightradar?
fr336 wrote: » No I meant how full of passengers do we think they are. Hard to believe the schedule today, it's barely a winter schedule let alone summer...but we are where we are.
Tenzor07 wrote: » I'm sure you copied this from a reliable online Journal, however in reality you're more likely to get Covid on the Bus or train on the way to the airport. I mean if you pop off the mask and walk along the cabin coughing and you're infected then the chances of droplets spreading is higher. But what you have said just doesn't hold water, sit beside someone coughing and sneezing openly or if you touch a surface they have touched with their hand after coughing or sneezing into it and then you touch your face then yes you do have a higher risk, but the virus being carried around by the cabin air system??
Irish Steve wrote: » No not an online journal, I was listening earlier today to a relevant expert on virus management who was being interviewed on RTE 1 about the whole subject area, and he was being very specific about the issues of droplet spread around the edges of face coverings. There were also some very thought provoking high speed videos shown by Sky a while back that were made to specifically track the spread of droplets in different scenarios, and the distances covered in different ways were challenging, which (albeit slightly off subject) was one of the absurd reasons given earlier this week in the UK for wanting musicals to re open without singing, if you every heard anything so stupid! There will be other aviation hot spots, the main ones I can see will be the security scan trays, as they are unlikely to be being sanitised after each use, and the handrails on the airstairs on 737's, and the seat belt buckles, they are all risks that can be managed with appropriate thought ahead of time, and suitable protections such as gloves or sanitisers, but the key issue is ensuring the correct protection and remembering to use the right things at the right time. And yes, things like Buses, Trains, the LUAS and the like could be an equal level of risk, as are things like crowds/audiences at shows etc, but the difference is that for a lot of people, travel by air at the moment is not an essential journey, whereas other transport systems may well be unavoidable because of work commitments. Like it or not, Covid has not gone away, the massive numbers of new cases on a daily basis in the Americas, Asia and Africa, as well as hot spots in the UK, and repeat flare ups in China, Australia and other countries are all indicative that releasing the lock down status is not without risk. Minimising optional risk like non essential overseas travel has to be a worthwhile option, given how serious the consequences may be if the relevant managers and advisers get it wrong.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Probably about the same, I mean back in April i'd say it was only 20% of capacity at best and with the mixed messages and a medical official telling people in Ireland not to travel it will be a while before flights are full, certainly between cities at least.
TheDriver wrote: » Plus all the people now who have booked but choose not to travel, they're effectively sold seats
Tenzor07 wrote: » Yea so if you are travelling on RA then no need to purchase seats as you may have the row to yourself...
Cookiemunster wrote: » Have you looked at the infection rates in the UK recently? They're the worst performing country in Europe. .
highlydebased wrote: » There are actually worse performers, believe it or not. In terms of cases per 100k, one of the countries on this list doing worse is a surprise...https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110187/coronavirus-incidence-europe-by-country/
Noxegon wrote: » State to keep travel restrictions and quarantine regulations in placehttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-travel-restrictions-unlikely-to-be-lifted-before-july-20th-1.4295887
Kcormahs wrote: » Air Baltic has had government support approved by EUhttps://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/eu-approves-latvian-governments-250-million-aid-for-air-baltic/139152.article I am starting to agree with a few people here who say Aer lingus may end up being the only “Legacy” carrier in Europe getting 0 from the government even if they or IAG asked for it. (Yes I know its a private company. So it was Lufthansa etc and they also got help). The luck of the Irish! ðŸ˜
Tenger wrote: » Not publishing that list until 20th seems bizarre. Considering parts of Europe were re-opening based on number of active cases as far back as June 3rd.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Dismayed to see some pushing to reintroduce the virus into Ireland at higher levels for frivolous reasons But Glad to see the govt reaffirm the advice against all non essential travel
ECDC does not consider travel restrictions within and to the Schengen area as an efficient way to reduce transmission within the EU since community transmission is already ongoing in the EU/EEA, and TESSy data show that, in June 2020, only 3% of confirmed cases were likely infected in a country different from the reporting country. In this phase of the epidemic, imported cases are likely to represent a negligible minority of the cases reported in EU/EEA countries and the UK, whatever the incidence in the country of origin is.
Nijmegen wrote: » What’s being asked is that people take personal responsibility and the advice is clear from medical professionals who will clean up any mess you create: Please don’t travel. And then you read instant experts in epidemiology, who couldn’t spell the word without autocorrect a few months back, explaining why they think they know better. In reality, they’re more willing to take the risk for everyone else because they want the few cheap San Miguel and some nice weather.
