jm08 wrote: » |Stop dodging the question you were asked? Why do you think Sinn Fein get such a large vote in NI elections bearing in mind there are more moderate nationalist parties/neutral parties (like Alliance, Greens, PFP) that they could vote for, if they didn't want to vote for either SDLP or Sinn Fein)?
downcow wrote: » On a completely different note. Have the rest of you just received and advert for cremation a few posts back? It must be very smart. I guess it’s because we discussed Story’s cremation
Sinzo wrote: » TBH you're boring me. I have no interest in Sinn Fein. I'm sick of hearing about the troubles.
50 years and we are still talking back and forth.
Your question has an obvious answer so if you can't work it out I can't help you.
I have no interest in reuniting the island. It is a recipe for hardship for the south.
There are much more important things happening in the world.
Are u from the north yourself ?? I suspect you might be because if you were from the south u most likely wouldn't have any interest unless of course you are one of those die hard bores that constantly repeats nationalist epithets glorifying a United Ireland. Life is too short.
jm08 wrote: » I can see how you might find it 'boring' alright! What are you doing on this thread then if you have no interest? Whats the obvious answer? That you really don't know what you are talking about? Well, you have a vote. No one is blocking you from voting. Got that wrong as well. And for the record, I gave my number 2 vote to a Sinn Fein candidate for the first time in the last general election. You really are very poor at getting anything right when it comes to political opinion.
maccored wrote: » great live discussion going on at the sinn fein fb page about what a united Ireland could be and the need for a 'civic nationwide discussion'
Brendan Bendar wrote: » More pressing issues right now, a chara
downcow wrote: » I was amused again last night. I was talking to a couple of South American’s stranded here due to lockdown. Chatting about their future they said ‘like most South Americans’ they would love to move to the UK as that as seen as no1 country to emigrate to, but it is too difficult to get into so they will probably end up in Canada. Interesting that posters on here think ni people are going to rush to exit the country that the rest of the world want to reside in - and I have heard same story recently from Africans re wanting to live in uk but will settle for USA
downcow wrote: » What do they mean by nationwide. There is an internationally recognised national border at Newry. Which nation do they think need to discuss it?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Your future is tied with ours in the EU...we can be open and transparent about it Unionists have to keep be quiet about it, but that's the way it is. That's where Arlene has led you.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » The Irish nation is 32 county phenomenon. Even when you had 30,000 heavily armed professional soldiers where the British border was there was one 32 county nation. You'll never ever bring that to an end.
Sinzo wrote: » Hopefully it will eventually be all forgotten.
There are currently 2 irelands and hopefully that's the way it will stay..
Junkyard Tom wrote: » You can't erase centuries of history much as some extremist Unionists might like to. There most definitely is not 'two Irelands'. If you want permanent division of the nation then please stop appropriating our flag, our anthem, and our history, and go make up a new one to get behind.
Sinzo wrote: » Well ... there are currently two internationally recognised Irelands.
The national anthem of the Republic is exactly that... the national anthem of the Republic..The tricolour is the flag of the Republic...
The unionists have no nose in our business and they never will... we sincerely hope...
RobMc59 wrote: » Tom,I thought you weren't going to post that quote again as it was made when Ireland was part of the UK .
Junkyard Tom wrote: » The part of Ireland currently under UK jurisdiction is not a country - the British don't even refer to it as a country. Both predate partition of Ireland and were designed with respect to all of Ireland governed by the Irish people, you have no right to claim 26 county exclusivity of them. If you want a permanently partitioned nation then come up with a vision for it. Unionists are welcome to be part of the Irish nation too and many of them consider themselves Irish.
Sinzo wrote: » I think we would be more than happy to leave Arlene and her friends on the other side of the border for now and for always..
FrancieBrady wrote: » I love the way you valiantly pretend you are talking for a majority, with the 'we' stuff.
Sinzo wrote: » Well there is more than one other person who shares my opinion so therefore that is how I choose to phrase it. I believe that once we see how much it will cost logical pragmatism will replace rose tinted idealism
FrancieBrady wrote: » 100 years ago there was a sizable 'we' who thought of their pockets only and nobody else but they lost. I think they would even have to admit we have built a better place.
Sinzo wrote: » Just over 100 years ago there was little support for Padraig Pearce and the Rising. Most people were quite happy to remain part of the UK. It was only as a result of the executions that support increased for independence..
FrancieBrady wrote: » That's a myth, there was little support in the media of the time. Plenty of support among ordinary people that is why it happened despite the begrudgers and the selfish and it worked out, this is a better place today for it.
Sinzo wrote: » Well I guess it depends on which media you choose to believe. I thought it was recognised to be the case in Irish history books. Ireland became a better place after it joined the EU and because of multinational investment. Not to say we didn't make strides on our own and using our own intellectual capital but we were massively helped along the way. It was also aided at various times by mass emigration....
"I found Ireland on her knees," Grattan exclaimed, "I watched over her with a paternal solicitude; I have traced her progress from injuries to arms, and from arms to liberty. Spirit of Swift, spirit of Molyneux, your genius has prevailed! Ireland is now a nation!" After a month of negotiation the claims of Ireland were conceded. The gratitude of his countrymen to Grattan was shown by a parliamentary grant of £100,000, which had to be reduced by half before he would accept it. Grattan then asked for the British House of Commons to reconfirm the British Government's decision, and on 22 January 1783, the final Act was passed by parliament in London, including the text: Be it enacted that the right claimed by the people of Ireland to be bound only by laws enacted by his Majesty and the Parliament of that kingdom*, in all cases whatever shall be, and is hereby declared to be established and ascertained for ever, and shall at no time be questioned or questionable.
