Yeah_Right wrote: » It seems to me that SF supporters are the ones that go on about a UI the most. And they seem to believe that it should happen at any price. They also usually have no idea how to fund it and what actual tangible benefits it would provide Ireland. If anyone questions a UI or has doubts about it, it is SF supporters that call them West Brits or anti-democratic. Maybe you can answer the question I have asked a few times on these threads and no UI supporter has answered; how much are you personally willing to pay for a UI? By that I mean in the form of a tax increase on pay and/or goods.
jm08 wrote: » If they are so content, why are they still voting for Sinn Fein?
downcow wrote: » One Colombian one equador. You are completely entitled to your opinion. I am just sharing theirs with you. It’s funny how you get defensive when people express admiration for the uk. Haha. I could have said that about any other country in the world and you would not have felt the need to rush to disagree. I reckon
downcow wrote: » Well you just believe what you wish
Sinzo wrote: » Because my opinion is that it will only cause a whole lot of trouble for the south and the north itself. Prior to Brexit, many individuals in the nationalist community themselves were more at home in the north along with their unionist compatriots. To carry on your analogy... I dont want a messy divorce..
jm08 wrote: » Some of it. There are the giant bonfires as well.
downcow wrote: » Haha. That’s your impression of the 12th
FrancieBrady wrote: » Friends get married all the time and it works out very happily and well. Why, would you hope so fervently for a 'big fat NO'?
jm08 wrote: » The poor sods, they probably think that the 12th July festivities are going to be like the Brazilian Fiesta with dancing girls etc., not lads with bowlers marching down the road.
BonnieSituation wrote: » No. Completely ignoring the GFA is anti-democratic like this poster is alluding to. I know you're learning Irish politics as you go but this needs to be said yet again: SF do not own a United Ireland. Being an Irish Nationalist does not mean you are a SF supporter. --- Sinzo wants us to basically ignore the North. That's been the thrust of their posts.
BonnieSituation wrote: » South Americans? Eh, Colombian? Venezuelan? Surinamese? Uruguayan? Chilean? I mean if you are gonna talk nonsense, at least try make it more believable. And honestly, as someone who has lived in Canada I can tell you something for certain, from a quality of life aspect, Britain comes no where near it. There's no choice to make.
Sinzo wrote: » I wouldn't say ignore it. Just not reunify with it. Let's be friends. We dont have to get married. Some relationships are better as just a friendship. That is what I'm saying. The GFA is obviously democratic so the will of the majority north and south will determine that outcome. My hope is that the reverberating answer is a big fat NO...
BonnieSituation wrote: » Oooh you're getting very shirty. Are you okay? I think we know what I alluded to by referring to your "notions". All your pronouncements thus far have essentially boiled down to, you know better and be let's ignore the North. Thankfully I don't need "notions" to bring about a UI. We have the GFA you see. So we're currently working with in that realm regarding the roadmap to a UI. I don't care about how many Catholics want or don't want to have a UI. A border poll with not be a sectarian headcount. It will be a simple 50%+1 vote. That's it. If the majority don't back then c'est la vie. That's the spirit of consent we all signed up to in 1998. The thing is, the only thing I am sure of is that Partition has been a disaster for Ireland and its time is up.
Sinzo wrote: » What exactly does that mean Bonnie...? Everyone has notions.. including you.. or didn't you realise that? Tell me the master plan to reunite the Emerald Isle? How exactly are you going to make it work? How much will it cost each one of us? Are you sure most Catholics really want to be part of the south, never mind the unionists, especially if the euro falls apart which might just be as likely as the UK falling apart... Tell me your own notions???
downcow wrote: » I’ll try that tactic next time you ask me a question. Quite interesting to see the photos circulating of the guns over the coffin. And low and behold the gunmen are wearing EXACTLY the same gear! What do you really expect any unionist to think?
BonnieSituation wrote: » Their dream was to set up in Carrickfergus no doubt. Nothing like a South American Catholic influx for the locals to bandy around.
Yeah_Right wrote: » According to some SF supporters on here, that means that you are anti-democratic. As far as they are concerned, democracy means everyone voting for what SF want.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Wow. You really do have notions.
Sinzo wrote: » Well thanks for your imprimatur Bonnie. How gracious of you to allow me to Express my opinion. I will exercise my right to vote No when the time comes... for the better good of people on both sides of the border...
jm08 wrote: » Did they want to move to Northern Ireland or to GB?
downcow wrote: » I was amused again last night. I was talking to a couple of South American’s stranded here due to lockdown. Chatting about their future they said ‘like most South Americans’ they would love to move to the UK as that as seen as no1 country to emigrate to, but it is too difficult to get into so they will probably end up in Canada. Interesting that posters on here think ni people are going to rush to exit the country that the rest of the world want to reside in - and I have heard same story recently from Africans re wanting to live in uk but will settle for USA
BonnieSituation wrote: » Mutual friendship? Is it preferable to ya? Tell me all about this homogenous blob of "Northern people"? Essentially you don't want your pocket touched. And that's fine, but you're no different than all the other Partitionists on this thread who dance on pins looking to assuage their own guilt on the matter and blame Nationalism for all the ills of Ulster. You clearly are against the GFA then if I'm to read what we have above. If you feel so strongly about keeping the status quo and Partition in place then it's best you campaign for a NO vote in any ensuing border poll. That's your only job.
BonnieSituation wrote: » It amuses me that you value Northern unionists aspirations and rights more than northern Nationalists' It's almost like they don't exist. It's a Jack Lynch level of ignorance and naivety.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is not a common misconception, it is more of an uncomfortable truth that Republicans ignore. The High King of Ireland was essentially ceremonial. After the time of Brian Boru, the annalists started to refer to high kings either 'with opposition' or 'without opposition.' A high king 'with opposition' was one who had quelled a majority, but not all, of the minor kings. There were few high kings 'without opposition.' It was the British who really United Ireland a land made up of a loose collection of clans. Clans who were at war with each other constantly at least in low level conflict. It was the British in one form or another who slowly Unite Ireland. The clan system was ended in the 16th century when Britain introduced common law and so on. And it was a minority in Ireland who lit the spark and gave a 'blood sacrifice' to end up splitting Ireland in two while desiring a 'free' and United Ireland. There is the old Republican myth is that there is an 'Irish race' a common ethnicity. When really Irish people are mongrels a mixture of all sorts - Celtic - Vikings - Normans - Anglo-Irish - Planters. But this does not suit the Republican narrative. Which had an obsession with racial purity and the pre-eminence of a mythical Gaelic race. You only have to look at 'the meeting of 'the Irish race' in The Tailteann Games, 1924-1936:https://www.theirishstory.com/2011/02/23/the-tailteann-games-1924-1936/#.XwGueyj0kYw Or the 'Irish Race Congress' from the 1922:https://www.jstor.org/stable/30007220?seq=1https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/the-irish-race-congress-21-28-january-1922/ Again, this is what amuses me about most Republicans. They only wish to create a narrative of ancient Ireland, which is based on a very narrow modern political prism. Avoiding uncomfortable truths that do not suit the narrative. It is ironic that it was only ever Britain that United Ireland politically. Ireland used to be only United on its own loosely 'culturally' long ago. But as I have already stated. I believe Ireland is now culturally United only this time with Britain. Language, sport and pop culture etc. United Kingdom in all but name in a practical sense.
