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The Last of Us 2 - SPOILERS!!!

Zero-Cool

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JimBurnley

Landen Mushy Mucous wrote: »

Well I finished it yesterday and absolutely loved it. One the best sequels I've ever played. The pacing, acting, graphics. Loved it all. I'd become so emotionally attached to abby by the end that I felt horrible when Ellie was drowning her. In the end, Joel did kill her father. I suppose I'd react the same.

Wonderful game and experience.

The emotions felt towards Abby were so varied it shows what a great job ND have done in that respect. By the lodge scene I felt dirty for having controlled her in an earlier stage. Then pure hatred as you go on Ellie's revenge mission. Then mid-game there's some initial disgust that you have to control her again. But that very soon changed to an affection whilst learning her backstory and what she subsequently goes through herself in Seattle. Then there's confusion whilst fighting Ellie, but I was definitely becoming more and more in team Abby at that stage. And so I remained right to the end,which is some turnaround after the connection with Ellie in the first one and a half games

Nody

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Oh he suggested a better story? He should make his own game then. It's the army of entitled whingers who get worked up because the story didn't go the way they wanted. They should go create something themselves of they feel they can do it better.

Or you know they can state they were not happy and outline why to give the developer feedback; an outrageous idea I know I mean it's almost like they are doing a job reviewing games and giving their opinion on them or something but that sounds completely outrageous and has never been done before the internet either.

Zero-Cool

Oh he suggested a better story? He should make his own game then. It's the army of entitled whingers who get worked up because the story didn't go the way they wanted. They should go create something themselves of they feel they can do it better.

Nody

ERG89 wrote: »

I'll be honest I looked at like 5 minutes of his review and then they showed the scene where Joel dies and it was such a childish reaction to it. He had already decided he didn't like it based on the leaks.

And I've watched both the initial review and their second follow up to it in full and they do outline exactly why they disagree with the direction and give an alternative story that could have been told instead. Angry Joe gave TLOU remaster 10/10 (one of four games total that got it for the generation) and hence he is very much a fan of the series and the game play and he even praises the improvements made to for example the enemy AI in TLOU2 and the graphics.

SMC92Ian

Deleted User wrote: »

No thanks it is Twitter

I've changed who I follow and interact with and all my socials are a clean positive place. It's up to you and how you use it. People saying all sorts happened on Twitter and Reddit over this game, I don't see any of it cause I just block anything I don't like. Easy. Reddit has been a great place to discuss this game. Nice topics and points of view.

ERG89

Nody wrote: »

It's like you did not bother to watch the video by the sound of it; his complaint is that the story is very poorly written, very poorly executed and that they focus on characters don't actually act as the characters they were set up in TLOU1; a very common complaint. But hey; why bother to actually listen to what he's saying when you can make **** up, right?

But it all makes sense. At the end of the first game Joel saves and lies to Ellie that they had others immune. Ellie has her suspicions (which her pause in the first game showed) so goes back to the hospital to find out there wasn't any others and Joel had stopped the chance for a cure. When he confesses she can't forgive him.
Then when he gets killed and she finds those responsible she discovers its cause of Joel saving her that he was killed so she is indirectly responsible for his death and before he died they never truly made up.
She decides to leave Seattle after she kills Mel who like Dina was pregnant, she realises all she has is Dina and she needs to get her to safety. When they eventually get out of Seattle and onto the farm she is still haunted by the memories of Joel's death even after moving on from Jackson, Tommy then shows up telling her where Abby is and reminds Ellie what she wanted to make her pay. Ellie feels she has to kill her to move on from Joel but by the time she finds her Abby has been captured and a slave for months. When she is drowning her she see's Joel and its just a reminder that he ain't coming back even if Abby dies. Ellie lets Abby live like Abby left her to live earlier in the game.

I'll be honest I looked at like 5 minutes of his review and then they showed the scene where Joel dies and it was such a childish reaction to it. He had already decided he didn't like it based on the leaks.

[Deleted User]

No thanks it is Twitter

SMC92Ian

Deleted User wrote: »

A side note: Do yourselves a favour and delete your Twitter

It's not good for your mental health

It's not Twitter, it's fine, just choose who you follow.

dzsfah2xoynme9

Well I finished it yesterday and absolutely loved it. One the best sequels I've ever played. The pacing, acting, graphics. Loved it all. I'd become so emotionally attached to abby by the end that I felt horrible when Ellie was drowning her. In the end, Joel did kill her father. I suppose I'd react the same.

Wonderful game and experience.

Nody

Grumpypants wrote: »

The thing that gets me is when you watch stuff like Angry Joe they constantly moan about developers doing safe sequels and not taking risks.

Then ND take a risk and he goes on a 48 min rant about how they should only do safe sequels where he can go on another safe adventure with Joel.

You would swear he was a pre teen talking about Edward from Twilight not a grown man.

It's like you did not bother to watch the video by the sound of it; his complaint is that the story is very poorly written, very poorly executed and that they focus on characters don't actually act as the characters they were set up in TLOU1; a very common complaint. But hey; why bother to actually listen to what he's saying when you can make **** up, right?

Grumpypants

The thing that gets me is when you watch stuff like Angry Joe they constantly moan about developers doing safe sequels and not taking risks.

Then ND take a risk and he goes on a 48 min rant about how they should only do safe sequels where he can go on another safe adventure with Joel.

You would swear he was a pre teen talking about Edward from Twilight not a grown man.

Zero-Cool

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A side note: Do yourselves a favour and delete your Twitter

It's not good for your mental health

Could be said for all social media. It's great trading the positive messages she's getting in support though.

gimli2112

ERG89 wrote: »

Even if we played as Joel in this game what would we be doing?

After the museum they could have gone home and painted the house, tended the garden and taken the dogs for a walk. I'd have happily played.I see the sense in what you're saying and what ND did, I just would have preferred more of the same

Bad people don't always face the consequences of their actions. I'd have been happy with a happy ever after or even the end of TLOU 1 for Joel and Ellie, probably my favourite game characters of all time tbh.

[Deleted User]

A side note: Do yourselves a favour and delete your Twitter

It's not good for your mental health

ERG89

Zero-Cool wrote: »

No matter what you thought about it, you're just fine..... unless you're one of these sad, hateful people, then you should seek professional help.

Hardly surprising. After I finished the game I went back to watch some of the takes on the leaks and I was surprised to discover the controversy did end up being Joel's death. I kept waiting for a scene that was really controversial but it never came. Then I look at people throwing their dummies out cause they essentially didn't make the same game twice. Most of the videos still had a pretty horrible comment section, I guess cause they don't care about their fanbase being "outraged". So I'm not stunned once a toxic atmosphere is created that people do start to get death threats.

Like how dumb would it be for Joel not to face repercussions for saving Ellie at the end of the first game and destroying any chance of a cure. If it wasn't Abby it would have to be someone else who knew what he did. Even if we played as Joel in this game what would we be doing? Trying to bring Ellie somewhere safe, it would have been a retread of the first game so making a sequel would have been pointless cash-in.

gimli2112

that's really sad on several levels

Zero-Cool

I think one of the great things about this game is the amount of different ways people take it. Really shows the different thinking in people.

No matter what you thought about it, you're just fine..... unless you're one of these sad, hateful people, then you should seek professional help.

https://twitter.com/LauraBaileyVO/status/1279173199918292992?s=19

gimli2112

While I don't believe I'll ever be at peace with the way the story went. This thread has helped me understand somewhat the direction the story went. I'm happy people enjoyed it. At the end of the day TLOU2 is a cautionary tale which teaches you if you're going to murder someone make sure you take out their kids as well!

RIP Joel Miller

This reminds me the only picture I took during the game was Ellie standing over his grave

jones

brianregan09 wrote: »

Did any one else think for a second when they doing the lodge from Abbey's point of view that they were gonna make you take control of Joel's killing

No and I'm thankful as **** for that ha would have been mental torture

brianregan09

Did any one else think for a second when they doing the lodge from Abbey's point of view that they were gonna make you take control of Joel's killing

gimli2112

momentarily triggered until I remembered that was a cut scene

Zero-Cool

VR Mode being added in the next update and a new playable section where you play as Abby at the lodge. ND said the Move Golf peripheral will work for this section. "Now you get to do the swinging and watch Joel's head explode in glorious VR"

mrkiscool2

al87987 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/nnRCbqmWobw

Just wanted to finally put to bed the ignorant narrative that Joel wouldn't reveal his name so easy and that they betrayed his character from the first game.

Tommy reveals their names to Abby about the 4 minute mark after calling Abby 'girl' for a while. Joel also screams Tommy's name several times when they're trying to move the ski lift when under attack so Abby knows the names are genuine.

Then when they get to the lodge, Joel states he won't unsaddle his horse as he's not sticking around, as soon as the blizzard is over, he's outta there, again showing his lack of trust of newbies. Abby already knows its Joel however so the jig is up well before he introduces himself in front of the group.

I've got no problem with criticism of the game but this is not one of them and just demonstrates peoples lack of attention to detail.

Also had to laugh at whoever said i am being duped and emotionally manipulated, it's just great storytelling and it's a bit sad that some people's tribalism won't ever let them see it.

Wait, so is or isn't Joel trusting of strangers? Why wouldn't he have a word on Tommy not to reveal a lot of he wasn't? So, the real answer is we don't know how much Joel has changed but your post here just kind of shows your own tribalism here.

Also, dont know how when one is under attack and truing to get someone's attention they wouldn't shout their name to give instructions. Its a p1ss poor argument honestly. Again, the game is really good. Just not a 10/10 or anything close. The story feels like its all over the place. My main issue is the story. That's my main problem with the game.

Also, you literally said you liked Ellie less and less as the game went on and thought Abby was great so yeah...ya duped.

mrkiscool2

al87987 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/nnRCbqmWobw

Just wanted to finally put to bed the ignorant narrative that Joel wouldn't reveal his name so easy and that they betrayed his character from the first game.

Tommy reveals their names to Abby about the 4 minute mark after calling Abby 'girl' for a while. Joel also screams Tommy's name several times when they're trying to move the ski lift when under attack so Abby knows the names are genuine.

Then when they get to the lodge, Joel states he won't unsaddle his horse as he's not sticking around, as soon as the blizzard is over, he's outta there, again showing his lack of trust of newbies. Abby already knows its Joel however so the jig is up well before he introduces himself in front of the group.

I've got no problem with criticism of the game but this is not one of them and just demonstrates peoples lack of attention to detail.

Also had to laugh at whoever said i am being duped and emotionally manipulated, it's just great storytelling and it's a bit sad that some people's tribalism won't ever let them see it.

al87987

https://youtu.be/nnRCbqmWobw

Just wanted to finally put to bed the ignorant narrative that Joel wouldn't reveal his name so easy and that they betrayed his character from the first game.

Tommy reveals their names to Abby about the 4 minute mark after calling Abby 'girl' for a while. Joel also screams Tommy's name several times when they're trying to move the ski lift when under attack so Abby knows the names are genuine.

Then when they get to the lodge, Joel states he won't unsaddle his horse as he's not sticking around, as soon as the blizzard is over, he's outta there, again showing his lack of trust of newbies. Abby already knows its Joel however so the jig is up well before he introduces himself in front of the group.

I've got no problem with criticism of the game but this is not one of them and just demonstrates peoples lack of attention to detail.

Also had to laugh at whoever said i am being duped and emotionally manipulated, it's just great storytelling and it's a bit sad that some people's tribalism won't ever let them see it.

[Deleted User]

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Just finished my first run on the hardest difficulty.
Did anyone find the game a little easy in a sense?
I had plenty of health ammo items etc throughout the game even though it was on survival.
They even give you listen ability on survival mode. Which they didn’t in the first game.

I thought the story was brilliant. I’m not let down at all.
I feel it reflects how sometimes in reality not everything is perfect.

I played on a mix of hard and survival

Survival+ is actually harder than survival to note

Bigmac1euro

Just finished my first run on the hardest difficulty.
Did anyone find the game a little easy in a sense?
I had plenty of health ammo items etc throughout the game even though it was on survival.
They even give you listen ability on survival mode. Which they didn’t in the first game.

I thought the story was brilliant. I’m not let down at all.
I feel it reflects how sometimes in reality not everything is perfect.

brianregan09

I think the only difference between Abby and Ellie is Abby didn't have a whole 1st game to flesh her out even more ,She changed and grew throughout the game Ellie didn't she just sunk lower and lower and went off the deep end leaving Dina and the kid and ended up with nothing in the end no dina , no revenge unable to play the guitar properly she took a foolish gamble and paid for it heavily , Abby on the other hand tried to change throughout the game

I was actually seething when it looked like you were going to drown her at the end I died several times over it because i didn't want to do it

Retr0gamer

Leroy42 wrote: »

But so what that they used manipilative emotional scenes to try and get you to sympathise with Abby. They did exactly the same in TLOU. Imagine if they hadn't started with the death of his daughter. We only see Joel from the start of the mission with Tess. Now the guy is just a thug.

Of course there is manipulation.

There's subtle emotional manipulation. Where it happens naturally and you don't notice it.

Then there's emotional manipulation where your eyes are rolling in the back of your head because you can tell the writers are trying to make you like\hate or whatever a character.

The later is also called bad storytelling.

Penn

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Broadly agree with this and do think it is a good take on the situation. However, Ellie went after everyone as most of that group was there for Joel's murder and facilitated in it honestly so can see why Ellie went on a murder spree.

Yeah I'd agree. I'd even go so far as to add Abby didn't know it was Ellie & Tommy until Day 3, and she also wouldn't have known Ellie wasn't completely killing them indiscriminantly either, but other circumstances (the woman in the hospital becoming infected, Owen & Mel attacking her, not knowing Mel was pregnant) forced Ellie to kill some of them. Abby not knowing that added to her anger but also shows Ellie wasn't just on a complete murder spree either.