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Random EV thoughts.....

Old diesel

The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

A Leaf 62 not so good.

Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

*IF chargers are available

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Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

Interesting that the supercharger only had CCS connectors.

One way to up sell the CCS conversion I guess.

liamog

Interesting that the supercharger only had CCS connectors.

graememk

JohnC. wrote: »

Also a bonus peek at a Tesla Mobile Service car.

Also the CCS upgrade for the Model S/X

JohnC.

Bjorn visited the opening of a new Circle K in Norway.

Circle K points
4 x 150 kW
4 x 50 kW
Space to increase to a total of 20

Tesla Superchargers, V3 (250 kW?) x 20

Also a bonus peek at a Tesla Mobile Service car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXjjl-RYbVg

slave1

Out at the Athlone Motorway Service station today (another test drive:rolleyes:) and the amount of guys trying to hook up to the (almost permanently) broken Circle K 50kW charger was a joke, three of them at it and all PHEVs.
Kona hooked up the the Chargepoint charger and all 4 Ionity's idle as usual

unkel

Goes to show what a good deal the guy got over here in Ireland at EUR30k for the 64kWh version.

graememk

Mike3287 wrote: »

Man the Kona is starting to come down alright

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006250493123?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2018&postcode=M52TY&model=KONA&sort=price-asc&page=1&price-from=20000&make=HYUNDAI&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

Sterling is at 90c now

31k or so for a 64kWh Kona

When ID3 is produced in volume next year, going to be bargains to be had, so long as brexit doesn't screw it up

Madlad might not be so mad with his depreciation fears

That looks like the 38kwh one, 180 mile range.

Mike3287

unkel wrote: »

You'd get very little off, so that means it will be the guts of €28k landed. Not bad for the range that's for sure.

Man the Kona is starting to come down alright

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006250493123?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2018&postcode=M52TY&model=KONA&sort=price-asc&page=1&price-from=20000&make=HYUNDAI&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

Sterling is at 90c now

31k or so for a 64kWh Kona

When ID3 is produced in volume next year, going to be bargains to be had, so long as brexit doesn't screw it up

Madlad might not be so mad with his depreciation fears

unkel

Mike3287 wrote: »

Apologies

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202005099243017?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2019&price-to=27500&postcode=M52TY&sort=price-asc&page=3&price-from=20000&make=HYUNDAI&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

Not the car that guy bought, but similar price

I'd imagine he got a bit off list, Ioniq 38kWh hasn't been received well but with 35-40% more range and slower charging, still decent machine

You'd get very little off, so that means it will be the guts of €28k landed. Not bad for the range that's for sure.

McGiver

unkel wrote:

You'll have a brand new ID.3 in 2021 for not much more than that. There's also a 2020 eGolf for sale from a dealer for not much more than â‚¬25k. Neither are suitable if you have more than 2 kids though.

Yep. Low battery ID3 (45 kWh) will be 27-28k in Ireland. Unless the VW do some crooked move. The question is how quickly can they deliver, will it be Q1?

Mike3287

unkel wrote: »

38kWh?

You link to a 28kWh, for sale for just under GBP25k, so far more expensive than 26k landed...

There was (is?) Kramer's 191 Ioniq 28kWh for sale for €23k, in excellent condition

Apologies

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202005099243017?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2019&price-to=27500&postcode=M52TY&sort=price-asc&page=3&price-from=20000&make=HYUNDAI&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

Not the car that guy bought, but similar price

I'd imagine he got a bit off list, Ioniq 38kWh hasn't been received well but with 35-40% more range and slower charging, still decent machine

unkel

Mike3287 wrote: »

Saw someone on facebook get a 192 Ioniq 38kWh for 26k landed, no vrt apparently

Thought it was a good deal

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202003198581027?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2019&price-to=27500&postcode=M52TY&sort=price-asc&page=3&price-from=20000&make=HYUNDAI&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

38kWh?

You link to a 28kWh, for sale for just under GBP25k, so far more expensive than 26k landed...

There was (is?) Kramer's 191 Ioniq 28kWh for sale for €23k, in excellent condition

Mike3287

unkel wrote: »

That was my point, hence I mentioned 2021, brand new ID.3 won't cost much more than that 2019 Leaf and will have more range

A user here just got a 2019 Kona 64kWh for €30k. That has near twice the range of the Leaf and can charge near twice as quickly too.

But it looks like your really, really want a Leaf, so no one stopping you here. It's your moneys! But expect steep depreciation over the next few years compared to other EVs. The Leaf is a 10 year old car, really on its last legs, terribly inefficient, obsolete charging standard and no battery cooling

Saw someone on facebook get a 192 Ioniq 38kWh for 26k landed, no vrt apparently

Thought it was a good deal

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202003198581027?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2019&price-to=27500&postcode=M52TY&sort=price-asc&page=3&price-from=20000&make=HYUNDAI&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

Laviski

There is more to a car than just the battery, it's is primary concern but there are many other factors which is why I decided on an 2020 leaf Over everything else currently available.

Leaf has its purpose regardless of the folks here like the car or not. Which is clear many don't. However I would agree that as the competition heats up further, the availability of 2nd hand m3. The leaf days of being dominant or even in the top list ev cars sold are numbered. That will affect selling price if you plan on selling on.... That's if.

60 will soon be the norm, 4 years 80 possibly. So 40 is only really going to suit a particular use and that's city driving/short commutes.

If you can hold off -Do, otherwise just go for it and enjoy it.

unkel

liamog wrote: »

The other thing to consider is the non 1st edition ID.3 should be out by then

That was my point, hence I mentioned 2021, brand new ID.3 won't cost much more than that 2019 Leaf and will have more range

A user here just got a 2019 Kona 64kWh for €30k. That has near twice the range of the Leaf and can charge near twice as quickly too.

But it looks like your really, really want a Leaf, so no one stopping you here. It's your moneys! But expect steep depreciation over the next few years compared to other EVs. The Leaf is a 10 year old car, really on its last legs, terribly inefficient, obsolete charging standard and no battery cooling

Stealthirl

liamog wrote: »

I wouldn't expect your Leaf to lose more than €500 in the next 6 monts.

Some people value that 1 bar, particularly the 1st one.

liamog

Stealthirl wrote: »

So with a max of €30k there's not much options except wait for this Leaf price drop while i lose a bar maybe 2 on my 24 waiting for eSoul price to drop or see what the El-Born/Enyaq have to offer and if i could then stretch to them.

The other thing to consider is the non 1st edition ID.3 should be out by then, it's only a 330km range, so similar to the Leaf, but is widely expected to start below 30k. If I was in your position, I'd at least wait until then. I wouldn't expect your Leaf to lose more than €500 in the next 6 monts.

Stealthirl

unkel wrote: »

I wouldn't.

You'll have a brand new ID.3 in 2021 for not much more than that. There's also a 2020 eGolf for sale from a dealer for not much more than €25k. Neither are suitable if you have more than 2 kids though.

Chances are that Leaf won't be worth much more than about €17-€18k in a years time.

€26.5k is the lower end for a Tekna/SVE with that mileage unless someone knows where id get one for less?
The leaf has been the number 1 selling electric car here since it came out[Last year was joint 1st] and i don't see the price dropping that much in 12months. everyone was saying that 12 months ago, that the Kona and M3 would kill the leaf.

€7.5k is a fair bit more for the ID.3 and if i was going for one it would be the + which is even more and if i was to spend that much id rather an K3 eSoul

Not keen on the eGolf/ionic [roof line too low for disabled passenger] unless it was a cracker of a deal on an executive Golf.

I'd be in a Zoe40 except for the size

So with a max of €30k there's not much options except wait for this Leaf price drop while i lose a bar maybe 2 on my 24 waiting for eSoul price to drop or see what the El-Born/Enyaq have to offer and if i could then stretch to them.

Would the 1st bar loss not decrease the appeal of my L24 even more in a years time when it might only be worth 9k ?

ELM327

26k is a ripoff for that leaf, DONT DO IT!!

Mike3287

unkel wrote: »

I wouldn't.

You'll have a brand new ID.3 in 2021 for not much more than that. There's also a 2020 eGolf for sale from a dealer for not much more than €25k. Neither are suitable if you have more than 2 kids though.

Chances are that Leaf won't be worth much more than about €17-€18k in a years time.

Yeah man

26.5k for a 36kWh useable Leaf is madness

I'd be calling into VW garages for 34k ID3

unkel

Stealthirl wrote: »

€26.5k for the L40

I wouldn't.

You'll have a brand new ID.3 in 2021 for not much more than that. There's also a 2020 eGolf for sale from a dealer for not much more than €25k. Neither are suitable if you have more than 2 kids though.

Chances are that Leaf won't be worth much more than about €17-€18k in a years time.

Stealthirl

unkel wrote: »

€8k is far too low. Even for a base model, and you have the top end Tekna. Try put it up for €10500 and see what you get? Not sure from when in the second half of 2014 the car is, but if not the very first week of July, it will have a tiny bit of battery / drivetrain warranty left, you could use this in the ad as one of the pros of your car.

How much were you offered the L40 for?

It's an Oct car so tax/nct due then and i had thought about waiting until then and selling with fresh tax/nct.
€26.5k for the L40

unkel

€8k is far too low. Even for a base model, and you have the top end Tekna. Try put it up for €10500 and see what you get? Not sure from when in the second half of 2014 the car is, but if not the very first week of July, it will have a tiny bit of battery / drivetrain warranty left, you could use this in the ad as one of the pros of your car.

How much were you offered the L40 for?

Stealthirl

Been offered a 191 Leaf40 Tekna privately with 17K km
Problem is ill have to sell my 142 Leaf24 Tekna first.
It's got 91%SoH and 65k km with the 6.6kW and solar panel.
I have a price in mind but wanted to get feedback on what you all think it's worth as Motorcheck.ie said just under €8K and carzone/donedeal seam to sugest €10-12k

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

What is the big gap with charging infrastructure in rural areas, Bob Flavin has mentioned the same in some of his reviews. Are there really that many people who live in rural areas and do not have private off street parking?

It's a gap in mindset IMO
Rural ireland is perfect for long range EVs like the Soul, Niro etc

liamog

In particular, the young farmers’ association said that installing new electric vehicle (EV) chargers throughout the country – and primarily focusing on areas of rural Ireland which lack charger infrastructure – “is another step toward making the purchase of electric cars more attractive”.

What is the big gap with charging infrastructure in rural areas, Bob Flavin has mentioned the same in some of his reviews. Are there really that many people who live in rural areas and do not have private off street parking?

ELM327

BrownFinger wrote: »

Can you pick options on used cars? :pac:

I added options to my car after buying it at 3 years old.
-550 quid on CCS conversion.

I also intend on adding the MCU2 upgrade when it's available

graememk

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ban-sought-on-advertising-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars/

Even macra are coming out to push EV's , and the roll out of better infrastructure in rural areas.

unkel

BrownFinger wrote: »

Can you pick options on used cars? :pac:

Sometimes you can have options fitted / enabled in modern cars

If you look at the various Model S related threads in here, a lot of owners have opted to get the main dealer to do a CCS conversion on their second hand cars. Something that was not possible / not an option when the cars were new.

[Deleted User]

unkel wrote: »

If I'd had the option of a heatpump I would have paid no more than EUR100 extra for it.

Can you pick options on used cars? :pac: