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Graham Linehan banned from twitter for questioning "trans ideology"

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https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/twitter-closes-graham-linehan-account-after-trans-comment-1.4290547?mode=amp

Isn't this just censorship rather than protecting anyone?

That's what it looks like to me.

It's perfectly fine for someone like Trump to spew his hatred on the platform every day of the week but when it comes to debate on social issues action is taken.

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hetuzozaho

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

They didn't do anything wrong. Why do you think they did? It's a World Cup. Did Germany do anything wrong when they beat Saudi Arabia 9-0 back in 2002, or Germany beating Brazil 7-1 at Brazils home World Cup.

Lad, with respect, I don't think you've a clue about sports.

To be fair Germany did ease off in the second half.

"We just made it clear that we had to stay focused and not try to humiliate them. We said we had to stay serious and concentrate at half-time. That's something you don't have to show on the pitch if you are playing. You have to show the opponent respect and it was very important that we did this and didn't try to show some magic or something like this. It was important we played our game for 90 minutes." - Hummels

Rodin

I wonder if I can identify as another race. Or an animal.

To my mind it's the same as a man thinking they're a woman.

I'm not allowed to tell a transwoman that they're not a woman because they have a cock and balls and don't have ovaries or a vagina, but Im sure as a white man if I started telling people I identify as a black man....

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Gruffalox wrote: »

But what does your username indicate ODB?

Mine is because I wanted loads of other names and all of them were taken and I was just putting in random words at the end and when it accepted i couldn't even remember what I put in and I was like ffs when it said Welcome to Boards Gruffalox

But is suppose it means I am a mythical hairy monster...

My God! It fits perfectly!

Mine’s taken from a Breaking Bad quote. :pac:

[Deleted User]

LLMMLL wrote: »

It's the only way to understand how people use language. To actually observe how people use it.

I observe that black people use the dirty n word a lot. If I identify as black, can I use the bad n word with your support?

CtevenSrowder

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Do you imagine the staff working in the UK prison services are thick or something? I know men do obviously, but do you? Do you imagine everyone is equally as thick that they cannot see when someone is taking the piss and have their No moment as you suggested earlier?

What would that figure have to do with the legislation anyway? It’s a matter for the prison services to sort out. The figure for people who abuse the law has nothing to do with the figures for people who avail of their rights for their intended purpose.

“Time to do away with marriage legislation for everyone , some people were found to be abusing it” :rolleyes:

But Jack, if self id becomes a thing over there, who are you or anyone to proclaim someone is 'taking the piss'. That is transphobic.

CtevenSrowder

Gentlemanne wrote: »

I'm fairly sure you guys totally agree on how to deal with trans people and how to conduct discourse about them. So its not completely random is it

How to 'conduct discourse'. What do you mean by that exactly? And what do you mean by deal? I think if one is genuinely trans, and if they are over the age of 18, and it is agreed that having surgery will improve their opinions of themselves and their overall quality of life, then that surgery (or surgeries) should be carried out at a cost to the taxpayer. Is that what Steven thinks, since you seem to know more about his way of 'deal[ing] with trans-people' then I do? I would've thought as a conservative he would not have this view. But who knows (well you seemingly).

And I never said the username was random. I said it may not be the homily to him that some of you seem to believe it is.

CtevenSrowder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm not so sure that the second point is true in all cases.

Just to be clear, there was no question about what anyone was 'allowed' to reference. The questions were about the relevance of the references, and the lack of consistency in the narrow focus on a very small set of issues while ignoring the much larger, much more prevalent issues that have much larger impact on the community that you're supposed to be protecting.

Oh well fair enough so. I'll pretend you are a racist and you can pretend I share all of Steven Crowder's political opinions no matter what they are.

Gruffalux

LLMMLL wrote: »

The UK has self ID? Are you sure?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/29/record-numbers-transgender-prisoners-transition-men-women/

They don't have self ID officially. But you will have to talk to Peter Clarke, Director of Prisons, who said people "self identifying" as trans in prison are growing in number, and he was not refering to the small number with GR Certs who are statistically measured differently. These are extra that the Minister called self identifying.

The following is a longish thing about GRC trans prisoners versus "case conference" trans prisoners (and the whole sex offender thing). You will see that GRC is not necessary in UK prison to identify as trans. So effectively in practise self ID is feasible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-42221629

It is a bit complicated but between the two articles you can get a flavour.

One eyed Jack

Gruffalox wrote: »

They are not incredibly rare. 1 in 10 male travelers in UK prisons seek to abuse self ID to try and avoid male wings. Thats official figures

My focus on this issue is awkward for the people who wish I would shut up, I will give you that. Tough sh1t.

Do you imagine the staff working in the UK prison services are thick or something? I know men do obviously, but do you? Do you imagine everyone is equally as thick that they cannot see when someone is taking the piss and have their No moment as you suggested earlier?

What would that figure have to do with the legislation anyway? It’s a matter for the prison services to sort out. The figure for people who abuse the law has nothing to do with the figures for people who avail of their rights for their intended purpose.

“Time to do away with marriage legislation for everyone , some people were found to be abusing it” :rolleyes:

LLMMLL

Gruffalox wrote: »

They are not incredibly rare. 1 in 10 male travelers in UK prisons seek to abuse self ID to try and avoid male wings. Thats official figures

My focus on this issue is awkward for the people who wish I would shut up, I will give you that. Tough sh1t.

The UK has self ID? Are you sure?

Gruffalux

LLMMLL wrote: »

It's also the complete ignoring of evidence from this jurisdiction. The evidence from other jurisdictions is that issues that arise from self id are INCREDIBLY rare. So rare that they don't even arise in a population of 5 million people.

They are not incredibly rare. 1 in 10 male travelers in UK prisons seek to abuse self ID to try and avoid male wings. Thats official figures

My focus on this issue is awkward for the people who wish I would shut up, I will give you that. Tough sh1t.

Sittingpretty

So what if a transwoman decides she’s a table.........?!?!?

Can. Open. Worms. EVERYWHERE.

LLMMLL

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Again, just to be clear, there was no question of 'you cannot care/speak about' anything.

The simple question was raised about the apparent laser like focus on one particular very narrow issue. It's a bit like obsessing with the paper cut on your right hand after your left arm has been amputated. It misses the point slightly.

It's also the complete ignoring of evidence from this jurisdiction. The evidence from other jurisdictions is that issues that arise from self id are INCREDIBLY rare. So rare that they don't even arise in a population of 5 million people.

Gentlemanne

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I don't know his views on everything. Considering he's an American Conservative I imagine we disagree on abortion, gun ownership, health care, maybe same sex marriage I dunno, cost of education, level of taxation and I don't know what else.

I'm fairly sure you guys totally agree on how to deal with trans people and how to conduct discourse about them. So its not completely random is it

[Deleted User]

Gruffalox wrote: »

That is a rehash of the watery oul guff that you cannot care/speak about x, y or z unless you care/speak about all the things. As Bob recently sang quoting Walt.. "I contain multitudes."

Again, just to be clear, there was no question of 'you cannot care/speak about' anything.

The simple question was raised about the apparent laser like focus on one particular very narrow issue. It's a bit like obsessing with the paper cut on your right little finger after your left arm has been amputated. It misses the point slightly.

LLMMLL

FVP3 wrote: »

No. its not a working table. If you create a television made of soup, pins and bubblegum that doesnt work or look like a television, that is also not a television.

Words clearly have meaning, or nobody would understand anybody.

Forget "working" table.

You are saying that it is not a table and the creator of that piece of furniture and the author of the article discussing that piece of furniture and anyone else who calls it a table are mistaken?

One eyed Jack

Gruffalox wrote: »

That is a rehash of the watery oul guff that you cannot care/speak about x, y or z unless you care/speak about all the things. As Bob recently sang quoting Walt.. "I contain multitudes."

Right, and by that same standard you cannot expect other people to care about things to the same degree that you do, or even to care about the same things you do at all.

Gruffalux

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm not so sure that the second point is true in all cases.

Just to be clear, there was no question about what anyone was 'allowed' to reference. The questions were about the relevance of the references, and the lack of consistency in the narrow focus on a very small set of issues while ignoring the much larger, much more prevalent issues that have much larger impact on the community that you're supposed to be protecting.

That is a rehash of the watery oul guff that you cannot care/speak about x, y or z unless you care/speak about all the things. As Bob recently sang quoting Walt.. "I contain multitudes."

[Deleted User]

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Surely you realise we are both being facetious. The point is ones username is irrelevant to the discussion and their political views.

I'm not so sure that the second point is true in all cases.

Gruffalox wrote: »

Plus to have reference to somewhere outside your own postal code area is actually allowed.

Just to be clear, there was no question about what anyone was 'allowed' to reference. The questions were about the relevance of the references, and the lack of consistency in the narrow focus on a very small set of issues while ignoring the much larger, much more prevalent issues that have much larger impact on the community that you're supposed to be protecting.

Sittingpretty

Gruffalox wrote: »

We might not be super strong but we can do this...dun dun dun :cool:

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1279105121364799488

I saw that the other day, incredible.

What a woman.

I wish all of any of my births were that efficient!

One eyed Jack

Gruffalox wrote: »

We might not be super strong but we can do this...dun dun dun :cool:

Beats Paul Daniels pulling a rabbit out of a hat I suppose

From the comments under the clip -

Must have a fanny like an empty headlock for that to just drop out surely!?

No, she just has a natural biological advantage that other women do not

Gruffalux

We might not be super strong but we can do this...dun dun dun :cool:

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1279105121364799488

Gruffalux

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Surely you realise we are both being facetious. The point is ones username is irrelevant to the discussion and their political views.

Plus to have reference to somewhere outside your own postal code area is actually allowed.

Sittingpretty

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

and this, comparing young adult men, women, and elite female athletes

I have a 9 year old son. I have to give my ALL to beat him at an arm wrestle. He’s NINE. I’m in my 40’s. By the time he is a teenager I wouldn’t stand a chance.

I also at one point did a self defence class and when I’d come home I’d practice various self defence moves with my husband. At one point I asked him to grab me and subdue my arms to see if I could get away from his grip. I might as well have been paralysed. It was just not possible.

The strength differential between male and female in most species is HUGE.

One eyed Jack

FVP3 wrote: »

No. its not a working table. If you create a television made of soup, pins and bubblegum that doesnt work or look like a television, that is also not a television.

Words clearly have meaning, or nobody would understand anybody.

Mate don’t ever work with SQL, more tables than you can shake a stick at, joins between tables, dropping tables, updating tables...

Bloody minefield I tells ya

CtevenSrowder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I don't know why we're talking it about tbh, you brought it up. Why would you ask me why we're talking about something that you brought up?

I suppose the difference that you might be missing is that I'm not taking life lessons from the experiences to Andy Renko and applying them to Ireland.

It's a while since I've rewatched Hill St Blues, but my memories were that he wasn't racist. So it looks like you've got the wrong end of the stick here.

Surely you realise we are both being facetious. The point is ones username is irrelevant to the discussion and their political views.

Gruffalux

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

NO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME VIEWS OF THE GUY WHOSE NAME YOU JUMBLED UP FOR YOUR USERNAME. THAT’S THE RULE.

But what does your username indicate ODB?

Mine is because I wanted loads of other names and all of them were taken and I was just putting in random words at the end and when it accepted i couldn't even remember what I put in and I was like ffs when it said Welcome to Boards Gruffalox

But is suppose it means I am a mythical hairy monster...

My God! It fits perfectly!

One eyed Jack

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

The comparison between women and women does not matter. The comparison that matters is between men and women.

And you can absolutely talk of the average amongst those who are elite. Elite male sportsmen are superior (on average) then elite female sportspeople. The only sport I'm aware that this is may not be the case is ultra long distance running, think I read that somewhere but I'd have to check.

Why not? Because it doesn’t suit your argument? Why can we not compare like with like? Isn’t that the factor on which your argument hinges?

You want to make it about biology then let’s do that and forget the sexes, and then when the biology argument doesn’t suit, you want to bring it back to talking about the sexes?

Seems like you want it every which way now at this stage yourself really, which is understandable, and means at least that you can understand why people who disagree with you would want everything their own way too. Seems fair that nobody has everything their own way and everyone have to make compromises for the benefit of the development of the sport given the enormous sums of money and politics involved.

[Deleted User]

Gruffalox wrote: »

Why are we even talking about someone from some unknown obscure place in the world that is not Ireland? You really had to dredge around to get that foreign username, didn't ya, didn't ya?

I don't know why we're talking it about tbh, you brought it up. Why would you ask me why we're talking about something that you brought up?

I suppose the difference that you might be missing is that I'm not taking life lessons from the experiences to Andy Renko and applying them to Ireland.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

'I'm not racist, I've a black friend'. Sounds racist to me.

It's a while since I've rewatched Hill St Blues, but my memories were that he wasn't racist. So it looks like you've got the wrong end of the stick here.

Gruffalux

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Would this be a good time for you to meet my partner, Bobby Hill?

Both of them are fictional characters, btw - unlike the charming Mr Crowder.

Why are we even talking about someone from some unknown obscure place in the world that is not Ireland? You really had to dredge around to get that foreign username, didn't ya, didn't ya?