One eyed Jack wrote: » I didn’t ask whether they could or the couldn’t, I already know they can. I asked Kiki does she think it’s UNFAIR? I’m not surprised the US Women’s football team were beaten by a couple of teenagers, just like I wasn’t surprised when the US Women’s football team trounced Thailand Women’s football team 13-0 in the Women’s World Cup when they got the chance to show the world what they could do. They demonstrated they have no sense of fairness or sportsmanship -U.S. women’s soccer is relentless — and unapologetic — in World Cup-record rout of Thailand They genuinely couldn’t see how they could possibly have done anything wrong :pac:
KiKi III wrote: » A better comparison would be “is it fair if one woman takes testosterone to improve her performance and another doesn’t?”
One eyed Jack wrote: » I’ll stick with the comparison I made all the same.
LLMMLL wrote: » It's the only way to understand how people use language. To actually observe how people use it.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » It's a long, long way from there to here, isn't it? Not sure why you'd expect to have much credibility on facts when you choose a username like that?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Crowder#Coronavirus_misinformation
CtevenSrowder wrote: » They didn't do anything wrong. Why do you think they did? It's a World Cup. Did Germany do anything wrong when they beat Saudi Arabia 9-0 back in 2002, or Germany beating Brazil 7-1 at Brazils home World Cup. Lad, with respect, I don't think you've a clue about sports.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Oh this Tactic again, going after people based on their username. Did you ever stop to think that the username is not supportive of Steven Crowder? Say Cteven Srowder in the voice of Simple Jack, it might help you understand what I'm getting at.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Yes, and the majority use it with the meaning given by the definitions provided, unfortunately for yourself.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Duuuuude :pac:
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Are the short arse and the long arse the same sex?
One eyed Jack wrote: » They went to town on the Thai team when it was absolutely unnecessary. Some people commented same as you did that the USA team did nothing wrong, others such as myself saw it as nothing more than a display of sheer US atomic powered arrogance and they did it because they could. If you’re ok with that, then I don’t understand why you would have an issue with men competing in women’s sports and roundly trouncing them, because they can?
LLMMLL wrote: » That majority are not aware of those definitions.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Yes they are. Do you really think women who have periods don't realise they are releasing eggs? I think they do.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Yep, both competing in athletics we’ll say for the sake of it?
LLMMLL wrote: » Yes I believe they do but I've never heard any woman define herself being a woman as "releasing eggs". Maybe the song should be: You make me feel You make me feel You make me feel like a natural egg releaser
One eyed Jack wrote: » I really don’t care about sports enough to be bothered who does or doesn’t compete to be honest. The governing bodies are free to set whatever rules they wish as long as they are compliant with the law in their respective jurisdictions. That’s not saying screw anyone’s rights, it’s saying that everyone has equal rights and equal opportunities. You appear to want an advantageous outcome for women, but then how do you determine who among women is entitled to compete against other women? Because there are always winners and losers, and there are far more losers than winners. Do the losers get to decide who should compete against them? No they do not, and they never did. I don’t think it would make any difference to the level of support anyone has if they allowed themselves to be discriminated against and accepted being treated as less than, when they are entitled to be treated equally. You imagine people should be able to maintain positions in society where they are in a position to keep other people from being treated equally? Respectfully, I disagree. I don’t think anyone deserves to be protected by law when they aren’t willing to comply with the law themselves. Sounds very much like do as I say, not as I do, or rather like JK pulling the ladder up after herself.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Well I'd argue they were just being typical yanks then
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Hmm what if its a pregnant man though
One eyed Jack wrote: » Exactly! That’s it like, both teams are women, but one has considerable advantages over the other in terms of the development and funding of the sport in their respective countries. If biology were the only factor, then we would expect a much more even match like we see in the men’s football, except in the men’s football it’s often the US team has never had the same success as the women because other countries invest far more in the sport. If we were to base fairness purely on biology, then the 5’7” Finnish skier Eero Mäntyranta should never have been permitted to compete in the sport. He found his niche where he maintained a considerable winning streak over his competitors. Instead of banning him from the sport, he was celebrated. Even then, that wasn’t enough for him -Mäntyranta had primary familial and congenital polycythemia (PFCP) causing an increase in red blood cell mass and hemoglobin due to a mutation in the erythropoietin receptor (EPOR) gene, which was identified following a DNA study done on over 200 members of his family, as reported in 1993.[3] This condition results in an increase of up to 50% in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood, a large advantage when participating in endurance events. In 1972 Mäntyranta was the first Finnish sportsman who tested positive for doping. He later admitted taking hormones, which was not prohibited in those years.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » How have you heard women define themselves?
LLMMLL wrote: » Just Google "real women", most links have nothing to do with trans issues. Why are these women talking about being real women if the answer is as simple as "egg bearer"?
LLMMLL wrote: » Ok so for female you are not using the "gamete" definition? And yes, most people forget their junior cert biology. That's not a poor opinion of education standards. It's a normal opinion about the amount of people who retain can facts from their junior cert courses.
LLMMLL wrote: » A poster much earlier in the thread posted a graphic with all the cases of men entering women's spaces. It was in the US or Canada I believe. None of these cases had anything to do with self id or trans.
