RobMc59 wrote: » No Fionn,I'm genuinely fascinated with all aspects of Ireland. My 'gurning'comment was meant in jest(the English interpretation of gurning)I was unaware of the Irish meaning until you used it a few weeks ago.
downcow wrote: » Not OO As i understand local bands are now applying to parade their local towns where people can watch from their gardens. They will restrict it strictly to 30 band members. Rather than joining Michele, rather they will demonstrate discipline and how it should be done.
FrancieBrady wrote: » That's all within regulations and not banned, why would they not have done that anyway? 'Discipline' and Orange parades of the past...you are having a laugh? There's no Funerals Commission needed yet, bad and all as SF got it.
Fionn1952 wrote: » I was under the impression that a number of band parades have already been approved in the manner Downcow described? Am I mistaken?
Fionn1952 wrote: » Ah let's be real, Rob....there's no way, 'their gurning gobs' is anything but insulting. I'm open to correction, but I don't recall ever seeing you make such comments, 'in jest' about members of any other party. I can talk away with Downcow, we might disagree on a lot, but I'm sure we'd have a decent chat over a pint or two. I appreciate that his hostility towards Republicanism is at least open and honest.
RobMc59 wrote: » I've never denied my dislike of SF which is unremarkable as that's the default view of most British people. I'm glad the other parties have United against them in Ireland.
FrancieBrady wrote: » That's what I understood too. That's why I was asking. Is the point they are making, 'Because themuns did we should be allowed to as well'? If it isn't why didn't they apply within the required time...28 days prior to event. Probably to play the victimhood card when refused.
munsterlegend wrote: » Most British people don’t have a clue who DUP or SF are. I am sure most British people wouldn’t like if their govt drove their artillery into a football pitch and started shooting at the players/crowd but you seem to think that was aright. Enough said about you Rob and your toxic neutrality on the Irish question.
downcow wrote: » They didn’t apply because they were abiding buy the guidelines. Two things changed in last 48 hrs. Rules are being relaxed to allow 30 people and one of the ladies making the rules pissed of the population by flouting the rules.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So they don't want to abide by regulations because they think themuns didn't? Figures alright. And when they get refused because of the notice period, they'll probably wreck the place because they are the real victims.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So Covid knows to stay away from one and not the other. Cool story!
downcow wrote: » I thought this post below (from I assume a southerner) fairly well sums up the hypocrisy going on. As you read it try and think how many posters on this thread fit the bill as the ‘shinnerbots online army’, as well as yourself of course Francie lol. “ Monumentally stupid decision by SF. SF in both the North and South now have absolutely no creditability when it comes to discussing the pandemic; the distinct possibility of a new spike in cases in the coming weeks, or the measures being taken to control it. Can you imagine the outrage by the Shinnerbots on Twitter and the Journal if the UDA had organised a funeral, cordoned off an area of Belfast to hold it, had most of the big wigs in the DUP march behind the coffin, taking selfies at the grave afterwards, while the streets of the Shankill were covered in tough looking fúckers with buzzcuts and dressed in white shirts, black tie, and leather jackets? The utter hypocrisy by SF and their online army really is astonishing to witness. Complete clusterfúck of a situation, and everyone knows it.”
FrancieBrady wrote: » No more than the parades that have been allowed, which nobody has complained about or begrudges which bit of the bolded bit above was against the regulations? I'll tell you downcow what was against the regulations 'taking selfies'. Totally wrong and should not have happened and sends the completely wrong signal. If regulations were broken in the numbers of the cortege and whatever arrangements were made with the PSNI then fines should follow.
downcow wrote: » Just a few of the regs broken which people who have lost children obeyed. Friends can only attend funerals if there is no family to attend. - storey family was there 30 max gathering outside - hundreds were there.
Places of worship were opened for prayer not for 180 to go in for funeral.
Friends (Adams, Kelly etc)broke all rules by carrying coffin. Should have been family only
Podium and loudspeakers erected - why?
Etc etc etc. And you think only the selfie !!!
downcow wrote: » And this may sound rediculous but there are strong rumours circulating in my community that he wasn't even buried. That it was all theatre. Unbelievable I know but from reliable sources. Could you shed some light on this Francie ?
FrancieBrady wrote: » That isn't for you and me to assess. Arrangement satisfactory to the PSNI were made before the funeral so IF they were broken then charges will follow. Easing of regs. Numbers inside are based on size of venue. I have heard various figures claimed...up to authorities again. I haven't seen a rule on this in the regs...can you link to it? Forgive me here, but 'why a band parade?' Podium etc was erected for the traditional oration obviously. PSNI monitored the cortege all the way to the graveyard...again if there were breaches in whatever arrangements were agreed...charges will follow. So yes, until the PSNI call it, a selfie seems to be about it, so far. Band Parade organisers will have made the same type of arrangement. They will have had to assure authorities that they are prepared for more people to turn out than might be expected.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I know as much as you do. His funeral arrangements/notice say that the cortege was due to go to Milltown Republican plot for a short ceremony and oration. Probably done to cope with the crowds. When a member of my family died and was cremated, we left the bulk of the mourners behind and only family and close friends went to the crematorium because of the size. Are you suggesting mourners and the police where conned? Fake coffin etc?
downcow wrote: » Well you tell me. I know republicans who thought they were watching a funeral LOL
jh79 wrote: » Out of curiosity, what do you think should happen if the PSNI conclude a serious breach of regulations occured?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Fines as laid out in the regs. If Michelle O'Neill is responsible, resignation. I find the request for her to stand aside during the police investigation peculiar...is the implication here that the police are not independent? I understand why a First Minister or Deputy first minister should stand aside while a body within and appointed by the executive investigates something...but the police?
jh79 wrote: » I'd imagine because she lacks credibility now when they have to update the public on changes in the regulations which is fair enough. Good PR for the DUP too by asking for her to step aside but also saying they won't collapse the executive over it. Makes it look like they are putting the country first unlike SF with the 3 year hiatus.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Absolutely good PR and it is why a funeral has turned into a political football. My take is that they will do their best to keep this an issue until the 12th stuff happens. It's the implied slur on the PSNI I don't get.
jh79 wrote: » Don't think there is an implied slur on the PSNI. We all saw the photos. She breached the regulations, to what extent we'll find out in time.
To be fair SF turned the funeral into a political football by putting the party front and centre of the ceremony.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Of course there is. What would impede the PSNI investigation if O'Neill stays in her role? Well he wasn't a key member of the DUP or FF or FG. They gave a fairly typical honour for a key member, as every other organisation would do and previous members of SF got similar funerals. That's a bit of a cheap shot JH.
jh79 wrote: » I seen it as a question of credibility, the PSNI will say there was some level of rule breaking based on the 2 selfies. Until she has a chance to apologies for whatever level of rule breaking there was she can't lecture others on how they conduct themselves. Once Gerry used his funeral as a chance to have a cheap shot at Leo and Martin it became political.
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