hatrickpatrick wrote: » I think what many people are missing is that many, many of SF's newfound millennial voters honestly couldn't give a f*ck who's sitting at the table as long as they're opposed to the false-dichotomy of FFG and their neoliberal agenda. I genuinely don't think people understand just how much the cost of living for young people has pushed literally every other issue, up to and including IRA membership etc, not just to one side but off the table completely. Many people in that cohort would vote for a rabid monkey before they would vote for either of the parties who have fuelled the cost of living here to such horrifically crushing levels.
Mortelaro wrote: » Repeatedly pointed out,Garda Horkans funeral was a State funeral so an entirely different case altogether
PixieValentine wrote: » I follow a few of the reporters who were there this morning on twitter, there's more than one video of what he said up online. I can link you if you'd like. Leo was asked specifically about the row going on over on the funeral, and refused, saying out of respect he wasn't going to say anything about a funeral. So he didn't use a funeral to have a pop, even when he was asked to comment on the controversy specifically he didn't. Won't offer any commentary on anyone else in FG, mind. I didn't watch whatever show you did, have no idea who you're talking about or what was said. But just out of a sense of fairness- this morning's comment didn't happen quite the way you seem to think.
joeguevara wrote: » Gerry Adams is not in Sf. I agree with their hypocrisy around stormont. I think they need to remove themselves from any of their violent past and focus on people like Pearse if they want to move on. But mainstream political parties should ignore them at their peril. Change is needed on both sides but my god I have never seen so many disaffected people on all sides and giving out about funerals doesn’t help. Can we agree on that. And you can see by my posting history my thoughts on all political parties.
GarIT wrote: » They should at least be making public apologies. It's sickening how they try to sell themselves as one of the people and sticking up for the less fortunate but actually think they are better than everyone else.
joeguevara wrote: » But at least start with Gerry Adams is not or will not be sitting at the table.
ThunbergsAreGo wrote: » Do you think it was wrong or irresponsible? And, as with Cummings, a one rule you another for me action?
Truthvader wrote: » OK whats the difference to the real IRA, the continuity IRA, any "dissident" who decides to murder a ploiceman in the morning? Whats the difference to the Kevin Lunney torture gang. NONE. All people happy to hurt other people to get whatever they want
joeguevara wrote: » How would that help. Honestly, tell me. Why is it so reactionary that everything is immediately, sack sack sack.
GarIT wrote: » My arent Mary Lou McDonald and Pierce Doherty being called to resign? They didn't socially distance, there's pictures of them both breaking the rules too. And the nonsense of Doherty daying "but he was our friend" does he think that nobody else exists while he isn't looking at them? Lots of other people were made to skip friends or even family members funerals.
FrancieBrady wrote: » He used the funeral controversy to have a politcal pop at O'Neill, which is what the poster said. FG guy with Mat Carty last night doing the same. Not sure if he is 'pals' with Leo.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » What do you say to people who don't see much of a difference between Ireland's situation in 1916-21 and Northern Ireland's situation in 1968-98? If you regard them as foolish as well, what do you regard as being the difference?
hatrickpatrick wrote: » People whose lives are being destroyed by the neoliberal approach to housing and the spiralling cost of living, and see no viable alternative party which is at least ostensibly committed to turning over the table rather than, at best, engaging in minor rearrangements of what's sitting on it?
JohnnyFlash wrote: » It has been condemned across the political spectrum by all parties on the island apart from SF themselves. You see, this is classic example of how the moral compass of those sympathetic to SF differs from almost everyone else. To them, this is yet another attempt to smear the good name of the brave men and women of SF. To others it's as clear as the nose on their face that this was a complete balls of a situation they created for themselves, and they now have absolutely no credibility in passing judgment or criticism on actions taken as a result of the biggest crisis to hit the world since WW2. No other party in Ireland (indeed in Europe) would have sent their entire leadership team up to the funeral of a thug, terrorist, and bank robber. Not a normal party.
Truthvader wrote: » Well ask yourself, what kind of person looks at Gerry Adams and thinks that is the leader for me?
blanch152 wrote: » It would take a very long post to explain the difference, but it encompasses political, economic, social and cultural differences for a start. The Ireland of 1968 was a very different place to the Ireland of 1916, if you do not know that, you don't know your history. By 1973, the last few changes that were needed were achieved with the acknowledgement by the UK government in the Sunningdale agreement that the will of the majority of people in Northern Ireland was what counted. Whatever discussion people can have about the justification for the IRA in the period 1968-1973, (and I can have that discussion and am open to some change in my view) there was no reason to pursue anything other than peaceful change post-1973. I am old enough to remember the 1970s well - the IRA were a scourge on this country.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Mandela's life, certainly equals Storey's life. Very similar paths from conflict to building peace.
ThunbergsAreGo wrote: » Yes he commented on ONeill coming to the convention centre
Truthvader wrote: » Well ask yourself, what kind of person looks at Gerry Adams and thinks that is the leader for me? What kind of person do you think Dessie Ellis is? Jonathan Dowdall? Martin Ferris? Who cheers for the killers of Garda McCabe? Look at their supporters here. Even now they will justify and glorify their thug history. Look at the low level of candidate they are invariably stuck with. Do you think these people will manage an economy or provide housing. Look at their performance in Northern Ireland which effectively survives on UK government handouts to bribe the two sides into not killing each other. Still they cant even show up to run the 6 county government they are supposed to
blanch152 wrote: » Mandela = Bobby Storey. This thread has well and truly jumped the shark.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ahem.https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/politicians-should-lead-by-example-says-varadkar-39334789.html
blanch152 wrote: » More lies and untruths. Varadkar did not talk about the funeral. I am sure you will deflect and run away rather than withdraw those remarks.
joeguevara wrote: » Like I honestly don’t think people think SF supporters are terrorists and I don’t think people think FG supporters are Fascist. Isn’t it time we cop on and stop being reactionary due to what we see on social media. Similarly politicians should stop governing by point scoring. Who does it help. Division isn’t working. Time for something new?
McMurphy wrote: » Varadkar and pals using a funeral to score political points is hardly surprising but a new low all same.
FrancieBrady wrote: » There'd have been nobody at Mandela's funeral either had he died while he was bombing and engaging in operations against an oppressive regime. I agree, SF are not a normal party, they have evolved out of an extraordinary conflict/war and divided society. And blamed for some for all the ills of that society.
