Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

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https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/nfl-plans-to-play-black-national-anthem-before-week-1-games/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

I honestly have to laugh at people that try to argue against the use of guns in these situations, the fact that this man is being viewed in a negative and going by the current climate will prob lose his job or some other repercussions imposed on him for defending his property.

I guess he coulda just walked away from his home... someone could have been killed! let the mob take there course and morons that support this.

Its basically a crime now a days to not let a crime happen to you.

1800_Ladladlad

The NFL plan to play Black national anthem before the first week of games this 2020 season. What is a black national anthem? I didn't even know there was one! I don't see how playing a national anthem of one race would work to mend race relations that was been worsened in the US? Do black Americans not consider themselves to be citizens of the US. This is simply more division. BLM wants equality and inclusion but then accept for separate for their national anthem to be played in the fight for their "cause".

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1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

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Jillian Wuestenberg, 32, and Eric Wuestenberg, 42, were each charged with one count of felonious assault, which is punishable by up to four years in prison.

Eric Wuestenberg, a veterans support services coordinator at Oakland University, has been fired from his job.

Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said the suspects each had legal handguns and concealed pistol licenses, but the charges stem from them using their guns to threaten the victims.

It was only after the videos had gone viral, state Sen. Rosemary Bayer made this statement

Source

For every one of these videos, we see what the consequences are for otherwise law-abiding citizens, versus the consequences for the purveyors of hate and violence. Hopefully, justice prevails.

The full video so clearly reveals that they were being antagonized by the two people as they tried to leave. And it seems all of this was precipitated by a f*cking incidental bump. Which is not seen to have happened. So irrational, so juvenile.

Meanwhile, this couple will have their lives irreparably ruined. When will it finally be enough? The people filming clearly felt untouchable, because they are. They can antagonize freely knowing full well that the white people will be ruined if they dare to stand up for themselves.

Honestly thats a disgrace, she did nothing wrong they had conceal carry licenses and correctly used the firearm after trying to leave the situation, this is nothing more than political pandering... what did that man lose his job for?

Shes a license to carry that gun and use it in self defense which is exactly what was done.

Disgusting carry on, and a distinct bias and political pandering.

Tony EH

BattleCorp wrote: »

No she couldn't, the other woman was standing behind the car preventing them from driving off.

She's backing up so that she has enough space to make her turn out of the carpark. The black woman then bangs on the rear of the car. When she gets back into the car she's turns left and carries on.

She could have just driven off instead of getting out of the car to wave her popgun around.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Maybe.

There's no "maybe" about it.

AbusesToilets

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

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Jillian Wuestenberg, 32, and Eric Wuestenberg, 42, were each charged with one count of felonious assault, which is punishable by up to four years in prison.

Eric Wuestenberg, a veterans support services coordinator at Oakland University, has been fired from his job.

Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said the suspects each had legal handguns and concealed pistol licenses, but the charges stem from them using their guns to threaten the victims.

It was only after the videos had gone viral, state Sen. Rosemary Bayer made this statement

Source

For every one of these videos, we see what the consequences are for otherwise law-abiding citizens, versus the consequences for the purveyors of hate and violence. Hopefully, justice prevails.

The full video so clearly reveals that they were being antagonized by the two people as they tried to leave. And it seems all of this was precipitated by a f*cking incidental bump. Which is not seen to have happened. So irrational, so juvenile.

Meanwhile, this couple will have their lives irreparably ruined. When will it finally be enough? The people filming clearly felt untouchable, because they are. They can antagonize freely knowing full well that the white people will be ruined if they dare to stand up for themselves.

Probably some counter suits for wrongful dismissal on their way.

Rodin

Nothing in that video showed any racist language from the white lady towards the two (presumably) black shrieking banshees.

The pregnant woman was calm, collected and driving away.
Who steps behind a reversing car? It was the only way the car could leave.

I'd have pulled a gun on them too. Job done.

ELM327

hots wrote: »

Cheers, it doesn't exactly seem antisemitic though?

Here's why it is, if you don't understand why.

https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/black-lives-matter-antisemitic-tweet

Not normally a source I would use, but as a black jewish woman she does a good job explaining why the tweet was antisemitic.

1800_Ladladlad

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Jillian Wuestenberg, 32, and Eric Wuestenberg, 42, were each charged with one count of felonious assault, which is punishable by up to four years in prison.

Eric Wuestenberg, a veterans support services coordinator at Oakland University, has been fired from his job.

Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said the suspects each had legal handguns and concealed pistol licenses, but the charges stem from them using their guns to threaten the victims.

It was only after the videos had gone viral, state Sen. Rosemary Bayer made this statement

"There is nothing acceptable about what happened in Orion Township last night at the Chipotle, It is abhorrent to think that some in this country have such a sense of self-righteousness and entitlement that the idea of pulling a gun out on an unarmed child and her mother is okay."

Source

For every one of these videos, we see what the consequences are for otherwise law-abiding citizens, versus the consequences for the purveyors of hate and violence. Hopefully, justice prevails.

The full video so clearly reveals that they were being antagonized by the two people as they tried to leave. And it seems all of this was precipitated by a f*cking incidental bump. Which is not seen to have happened. So irrational, so juvenile.

Meanwhile, this couple will have their lives irreparably ruined. When will it finally be enough? The people filming clearly felt untouchable, because they are. They can antagonize freely knowing full well that the white people will be ruined if they dare to stand up for themselves.

hots

ELM327 wrote: »

the tweet?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/blm-accused-of-spreading-hate-in-tweet-on-west-bank-6dbhdcfkk

Or the companies rolling back on blm?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/bbc-tells-staff-not-wear-black-lives-matters-badges-on-air/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8478173/Fans-social-media-droves-Sky-Sports-pundits-ditch-Black-Lives-Matter-badges.html

Cheers, it doesn't exactly seem antisemitic though?

JimmyVik

BloodBath wrote: »

It's not an over reaction. It's permissible by the conceal carry laws in that state. Brandishing the firearm can be done against a perceived threat of violence or damage to property which this falls under in both counts imo but that's ultimately up to the states judicial system to determine. Considering the video evidence I would say shes safe from prosecution.

As far as I can see the gun was not pulled with the intent to use it. Nobody dies if the aggressors back down and back off which they should have done before this. They still continued with the aggression even after the gun was brandished. It's really hard to side with the other party.

The gun laws themselves are another matter completely.

I would say she is not safe from the twittermob now.
The other side of this now will be the relentless bullying of this woman.
God knows what damage it will do to her mentally.
This is my biggest problem with these movements on social media.

Tony EH wrote: »

So she stops the car and gets out with her pop gun?

Yes, that is what happened.

Nah, I'm not buying that. She's exposing herself to more danger, not less. She's a clown, who probably couldn't wait to point a gun someone's face.

How do you know what she was thinking?

She could have just driven off.

No she couldn't, the other woman was standing behind the car preventing them from driving off.

There's no good side here. Both dumbasses.

Maybe.

JimmyVik

joe40 wrote: »

She was in her car driving away. Where was the danger.

Pulling the gun was a total over reaction. Your justification for the action shows your bias.
If a black woman had pulled a gun in a similar situation you would be lambasting her for it.

She was calm, being attackled and tried her best to get away.
She is reversing out. Someone is standing behind her car. There is a load bang.
Now she has to stop, but also get out to see if she just ran over someone.
Not surprised she was terrified and used the gun to get them to back off.
Not my choice, but then i probably wouldnt feel as vulnerable as she did.

JimmyVik

joe40 wrote: »

No I disagree with you on this one. Obviously we haven't seen the whole incident but it is similar to any no. Of road rage incidents that take place everywhere including Ireland.

I could easily imagine such a confrontation in Ireland. It may get heated and even threatening but no one would pull a gun.

That brought everything to a whole new level of crazy.

I'm not downplaying the black woman's actions, she was an arrogant knob and took race into the situation for no reason.

Didnt a guy kill another guy with a hurl a few years ago over road rage?

Hannibal36

Tony EH wrote: »

So she stops the car and gets out with her pop gun?

Nah, I'm not buying that. She's exposing herself to more danger, not less. She's a clown, who probably couldn't wait to point a gun someone's face.

She could have just driven off.

There's no good side here. Both dumbasses.

I didn't dissect the video to see exactly what went on for her to pull the gun but it's amazing how soft some westerners have become and live in a kind of Utopian bubble that doesn't see murders and injustice anywhere.

This is real life,it is like the people expecting a cop working for a normal salary to somehow take some time and make sure he makes the perfect moral action,right in the middle of being attacked and having his weapon stolen.

Tony EH

BattleCorp wrote: »

From what I can see in the video is that the white couple are in their car in the process of driving away but the black woman is having none of it. It looks like she hit the car and was trying to stop them from leaving.

I'm not one for pulling a gun willy-nilly but a pregnant woman can't afford to take any chances.

So she stops the car and gets out with her pop gun?

Nah, I'm not buying that. She's exposing herself to more danger, not less. She's a clown, who probably couldn't wait to point a gun someone's face.

She could have just driven off.

There's no good side here. Both dumbasses.

katiek102010

ELM327 wrote: »

the tweet?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/blm-accused-of-spreading-hate-in-tweet-on-west-bank-6dbhdcfkk

Or the companies rolling back on blm?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/bbc-tells-staff-not-wear-black-lives-matters-badges-on-air/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8478173/Fans-social-media-droves-Sky-Sports-pundits-ditch-Black-Lives-Matter-badges.html

Cool, now it can be seen for what it really is.

Cupatae wrote: »

The difference is I'm willing to be wrong you should try it sometime because some of the stuff you come out with is just ridiculous at times and multiple people have pointed it out.

The gun wouldn't have been needed if it wasnt for the continued aggression by those two ladies infact the gun resolved the situation and allowed both parties to leave safely , it was correct use of a firearm, in a controlled and correct manner.

Now had the lady just whipped out the pistol at the start and started being aggressive you might have a point.. but this lady exhausted every other avenue of descalation before taking out a gun as a last resort in a defensive manner ie. Backing away and telling her aggressors to leave her alone.

If anything this highlights the importance and benifits of concealed carry.

We're going to have to agree to differ on this one. There is no point going over and back making the same points. In my opinion pulling the gun was a dangerous, potentially fatal act. What went on beforehand was deplorable but the option to drive away was available.
That is better than risking the death of someone.
You're entitled to disagree but you won't change my opinion.

As for "multiple people pointing out things to me" do you not see how arrogant and patronising that is.

There is a relatively small number of people contributing to this thread and the vast majority would be like minded on these racial issues.
That is fine. People are generally respectful so that is the point of discussion.

But you really should not be of the opinion that this thread or board's in general is fully representative of wider Irish opinion. There is a range of opinion out there that is not expressed here.
I like this thread purely because I can read the different opinions and even when I disagree, mostly people make reasoned points.

You seem to have the idea that you need to change my mind, you don't. You absolutely can disagree that the point of posting here.

joe40 wrote: »

The gun is absolutely the main problem here. Someone could have died.

I'm perfectly capable of reaching my own conclusions I don't need you to point out the flaws.

I point out the flaws in your argument all the time as well. It's called having a discussion.
Would you prefer just to have a forum where every had the same opinions.

Ironically enough, in the real world my opinions are not particularly radical.

The difference is I'm willing to be wrong you should try it sometime because some of the stuff you come out with is just ridiculous at times and multiple people have pointed it out.

The gun wouldn't have been needed if it wasnt for the continued aggression by those two ladies infact the gun resolved the situation and allowed both parties to leave safely , it was correct use of a firearm, in a controlled and correct manner.

Now had the lady just whipped out the pistol at the start and started being aggressive you might have a point.. but this lady exhausted every other avenue of descalation before taking out a gun as a last resort in a defensive manner ie. Backing away and telling her aggressors to leave her alone.

If anything this highlights the importance and benifits of concealed carry.

Cupatae wrote: »

The fact that you see the gun as the main problem in that situation says it all.

It wasnt misrepresentation it was the simplified version of the theme you ve been running with all along , no matter how often the flaws in your points get pointed out to u it's always someone elses fault they simply misunderstand you.

You just have strange logic or a lack of understanding of the reality of half these situations, I'm not sure which...

The gun is absolutely the main problem here. Someone could have died.

I'm perfectly capable of reaching my own conclusions I don't need you to point out the flaws.

I point out the flaws in your argument all the time as well. It's called having a discussion.
Would you prefer just to have a forum where every had the same opinions.

Ironically enough, in the real world my opinions are not particularly radical.

BloodBath wrote: »

The gun laws themselves are another matter completely.

I wouldn't fancy living over there at the moment without one........or ten.

BloodBath

joe40 wrote: »

That is a total misrepresentation of what I said. The black woman was totally in the wrong for starting the row, and her use of aggressive and threatening language.
Pulling the gun was then a total over reaction. Someone could have died.

I could easy be in a situation where some aggressive ****er is shouting, and making a scene. There is no way I would pull a gun on them. Maybe you guys are different but i would behave like that.

You're right though this incident has nothing to do with race it shows the sick American attitude to guns.

Why was it posted in a thread discussing racial issues in the first place?

It's not an over reaction. It's permissible by the conceal carry laws in that state. Brandishing the firearm can be done against a perceived threat of violence or damage to property which this falls under in both counts imo but that's ultimately up to the states judicial system to determine. Considering the video evidence I would say shes safe from prosecution.

As far as I can see the gun was not pulled with the intent to use it. Nobody dies if the aggressors back down and back off which they should have done before this. They still continued with the aggression even after the gun was brandished. It's really hard to side with the other party.

The gun laws themselves are another matter completely.

joe40 wrote: »

I could easy be in a situation where some aggressive ****er is shouting, and making a scene. There is no way I would pull a gun on them. Maybe you guys are different but i would behave like that.

You can't know that for sure though because you aren't a pregnant woman in that situation. And you probably don't have a gun.

joe40 wrote: »

That is a total misrepresentation of what I said. The black woman was totally in the wrong for starting the row, and her use of aggressive and threatening language.
Pulling the gun was then a total over reaction. Someone could have died.

I could easy be in a situation where some aggressive ****er is shouting, and making a scene. There is no way I would pull a gun on them. Maybe you guys are different but i would behave like that.

You're right though this incident has nothing to do with race it shows the sick American attitude to guns.

Why was it posted in a thread discussing racial issues in the first place?

The fact that you see the gun as the main problem in that situation says it all.

It wasnt misrepresentation it was the simplified version of the theme you ve been running with all along , no matter how often the flaws in your points get pointed out to u it's always someone elses fault they simply misunderstand you.

You just have strange logic or a lack of understanding of the reality of half these situations, I'm not sure which...

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ditto. I could understand the confusion on white privilege, but essentially giving the Black woman a pass for escalating the situation, and focusing on the white woman instead?

Nah. Black privilege, I guess. Black people can be forgiven anything they do, as the consequences of their aggression is always unreasonable. People should just accept their aggressive behavior, take it, and if it reaches actual violence, understand that White people made the black person do it. It's not the black persons fault in any conceivable way.

That is a total misrepresentation of what I said. The black woman was totally in the wrong for starting the row, and her use of aggressive and threatening language.
Pulling the gun was then a total over reaction. Someone could have died.

I could easy be in a situation where some aggressive ****er is shouting, and making a scene. There is no way I would pull a gun on them. Maybe you guys are different but i would behave like that.

You're right though this incident has nothing to do with race it shows the sick American attitude to guns.

Why was it posted in a thread discussing racial issues in the first place?

[Deleted User]

joe40 wrote: »

If you were in the same position as that woman, would you have pulled a gun?

Nope, but then I'm not a woman... As a man, I can hold off a lot of physical aggression, due to my height and reach of my arms. If I was a woman, then, probably yes. Especially if I was pregnant.

ELM327

TomTomTim wrote: »

It's interesting that these organizations care more about Israelis than Westerners. Anti white BLM comments are fine, but antisemitic comments are not? I don't understand why these groups struggle so much to be principled in their supposed anti racism.

Not fine by me, hence why I refuse to use the BLM hashtag and instead use the all lives matter handle.

BLM are a group of racists.

[Deleted User]

Cupatae wrote: »

The more I read your stuff from white privilege to ur view on this the more it becomes abundantly clear your very biased.

Ditto. I could understand the confusion on white privilege, but essentially giving the Black woman a pass for escalating the situation, and focusing on the white woman instead?

Nah. Black privilege, I guess. Black people can be forgiven anything they do, as the consequences of their aggression is always unreasonable. People should just accept their aggressive behavior, take it, and if it reaches actual violence, understand that White people made the black person do it. It's not the black persons fault in any conceivable way.

ELM327

hots wrote: »

Link?

the tweet?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/blm-accused-of-spreading-hate-in-tweet-on-west-bank-6dbhdcfkk

Or the companies rolling back on blm?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/bbc-tells-staff-not-wear-black-lives-matters-badges-on-air/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8478173/Fans-social-media-droves-Sky-Sports-pundits-ditch-Black-Lives-Matter-badges.html

joe40 wrote: »

She was in her car driving away. Where was the danger.

Pulling the gun was a total over reaction. Your justification for the action shows your bias.
If a black woman had pulled a gun in a similar situation you would be lambasting her for it.

From what I can see in the video is that the white couple are in their car in the process of driving away but the black woman is having none of it. It looks like she hit the car and was trying to stop them from leaving.

I'm not one for pulling a gun willy-nilly but a pregnant woman can't afford to take any chances.