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Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

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If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

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TomTomTim

ELM327 wrote: »

Any opinion from the BLM hashtaggers on the anti semetic tweets from BLM UK causing BBC and others to withdraw support for the BLM movement? (whilst of course reiterating opposition to all forms of racism)

It's interesting that these organizations care more about Israelis than Westerners. Anti white BLM comments are fine, but antisemitic comments are not? I don't understand why these groups struggle so much to be principled in their supposed anti racism.

hots

ELM327 wrote: »

Any opinion from the BLM hashtaggers on the anti semetic tweets from BLM UK causing BBC and others to withdraw support for the BLM movement? (whilst of course reiterating opposition to all forms of racism)

Link?

ELM327

Any opinion from the BLM hashtaggers on the anti semetic tweets from BLM UK causing BBC and others to withdraw support for the BLM movement? (whilst of course reiterating opposition to all forms of racism)

puppieperson1

All this 'noise - '(black lives matter ) is being stirred up to ensure Biden gets elected watch how it disappears into thin air once the democrats have unseated trump. All the unrest is being encouraged to try and sabotage Trump. It will be gone in November.......when they elect the demented Biden. His vice president will be the president as the dementia will be to far gone at that stage to run the country. His vice president might be a black woman but it could also be bloody hilary clinton.

Cupatae

joe40 wrote: »

She was in her car driving away. Where was the danger.

Pulling the gun was a total over reaction. Your justification for the action shows your bias.
If a black woman had pulled a gun in a similar situation you would be lambasting her for it.

They went behind her car and attacked it and said "I will beat your ****ing ass"

She then proceeded to draw her weapon in a controlled and defensive posture so her and her family could leave the situation , note the black ladies could have left at anytime but continued with aggression,

I commend her for her brave, controlled response and proper use of a fire arm to defend herself from attack, again does she have to be getting battered before she is allowed to use her gun to ward off attackers ?

Can I also ask why you bring color into it "if it was a black woman you would be lambasting her for it" not at all of commend anyone that defends there family in a correct controlled manner that lady looked pregnant aswell.

Color had nothing to do with it for me but you insist on injecting race into everything why is that ?

joe40

Cupatae wrote: »

Maybe watch the video again, determine who the aggressors are and who's trying to leave a volitile situation.

The white woman did everything from apologize that they felt wronged to trying to retreat out of the confrontation twice in both attempts she was met with aggression..

She was well within her right to defend herself and her family and property. Does she have to be getting physically assaulted before you d deem it ok? Prevention is the best medicine in this case and she handled it very well imo

Perhaps the two black ladies should try to be less aggressive less persistent when someone is trying to avoid confrontation less racist in there wording, you simply can't go around attacking people like that and be shocked when they defend themselves.

The more I read your stuff from white privilege to ur view on this the more it becomes abundantly clear your very biased.

She was in her car driving away. Where was the danger.

Pulling the gun was a total over reaction. Your justification for the action shows your bias.
If a black woman had pulled a gun in a similar situation you would be lambasting her for it.

Cupatae

joe40 wrote: »

Did I just watch the same video as everyone else? The rights and wrongs in a verbal altercation fade into insignificance when one of the parties pulls a gun and points it at people. Regardless of race.

Someone could easily have died there, I can't comprehend some of the attitudes here, defending the woman who pulled a gun. Granted the situation was annoying but to escalate to that extent by pulling a gun is mind boggling.

Maybe watch the video again, determine who the aggressors are and who's trying to leave a volitile situation.

The white woman did everything from apologize that they felt wronged to trying to retreat out of the confrontation twice in both attempts she was met with aggression..

She was well within her right to defend herself and her family and property. Does she have to be getting physically assaulted before you d deem it ok? Prevention is the best medicine in this case and she handled it very well imo

Perhaps the two black ladies should try to be less aggressive less persistent when someone is trying to avoid confrontation less racist in there wording, you simply can't go around attacking people like that and be shocked when they defend themselves.

The more I read your stuff from white privilege to ur view on this the more it becomes abundantly clear your very biased.

1800_Ladladlad

joe40 wrote: »

Did I just watch the same video as everyone else? The rights and wrongs in a verbal altercation fade into insignificance when one of the parties pulls a gun and points it at people. Regardless of race.

Someone could easily have died there, I can't comprehend some of the attitudes here, defending the woman who pulled a gun. Granted the situation was annoying but to escalate to that extent by pulling a gun is mind boggling.

What's annoying is when you take into consideration the current racial tensions in the US at the moment, and you have some people who would prefer if a person allow for themselves to get the sh!te kicked out of them by a group or mob first and then call the polices rather than their enact their constitutional rite to defend themselves. Iv seen many videos of white woman like this being dragged by the hair from cars and battered by several people. The man showed restraint, if that was a man screaming at him like that instead of a woman, fists would have been thrown.

joe40

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't see it that way. When someone goes out of their way to shout in your face, make threatening gestures, and such, you have the right to defend yourself. The Mother was out of line in hitting the car, just as she was out of line in accosting the woman throughout the whole video. Not once did she make any gesture to suggest that she was willing to calm down, and every indication that she was going to step up towards something more aggressive.

People have responsibility for the situations that they create. The white woman has responsibility for how she reacted, but the black woman has similar responsibility for pushing the incident. That's not washed away simply because someone else upped the ante.

Did you notice the White woman putting her hand to her lower stomach while she was being shouted at? Now, she could have been overweight, or she could have been pregnant. Would being pregnant change your opinion? It would mine....

Annoying? I can't comprehend why you would downplay the Black womans behavior. It was extremely aggressive. If it had happened to me, I would have been expecting physical violence to occur next....

No I disagree with you on this one. Obviously we haven't seen the whole incident but it is similar to any no. Of road rage incidents that take place everywhere including Ireland.

I could easily imagine such a confrontation in Ireland. It may get heated and even threatening but no one would pull a gun.

That brought everything to a whole new level of crazy.

I'm not downplaying the black woman's actions, she was an arrogant knob and took race into the situation for no reason.

shootermacg

The elephant in the room at all times is guns. Take the bloody guns out of circulation and you pretty much solve most of the problems. Guns are both the chicken and the egg when it comes to killings in the US.

You can't defend yourself from gun toting criminals without a gun.

[Deleted User]

joe40 wrote: »

Did I just watch the same video as everyone else? The rights and wrongs in a verbal altercation fade into insignificance when one of the parties pulls a gun and points it at people. Regardless of race.

I don't see it that way. When someone goes out of their way to shout in your face, make threatening gestures, and such, you have the right to defend yourself. The Mother was out of line in hitting the car, just as she was out of line in accosting the woman throughout the whole video. Not once did she make any gesture to suggest that she was willing to calm down, and every indication that she was going to step up towards something more aggressive.

People have responsibility for the situations that they create. The white woman has responsibility for how she reacted, but the black woman has similar responsibility for pushing the incident. That's not washed away simply because someone else upped the ante.

Did you notice the White woman putting her hand to her lower stomach while she was being shouted at? Now, she could have been overweight, or she could have been pregnant. Would being pregnant change your opinion? It would mine....

Someone could easily have died there, I can't comprehend some of the attitudes here, defending the woman who pulled a gun. Granted the situation was annoying but to escalate to that extent by pulling a gun is mind boggling.

Annoying? I can't comprehend why you would downplay the Black womans behavior. It was extremely aggressive. If it had happened to me, I would have been expecting physical violence to occur next....

Tony EH

joe40 wrote: »

The black woman in the video was an arrogant knob but there was no obvious threat of a physical attack. The gun was a total over reaction and potentially fatal in my opinion.

We don't really know what happened to spark all of this off. That part is missing from the video and often what happens at the beginning of an altercation like this can shape one's opinion drastically.

However, the black woman is a mouthy twat and doesn't want to let the situation go. The white woman is an hysterical, over-reacting idiot, who thinks she can solve an issue at the end of a gun.

The whole situation is just bloody crazy.

I cannot imagine anywhere else in the world (at least in 1st world countries) where something like this could end in a potentially fatal incident.

joe40

JimmyVik wrote: »

Just out of curiosity. Who do you think was racist in that video?

The black woman was far too aggressive, mouthy and since she took race into, she was racist. I'm not trying to defend her.
But Jesus, pulling a gun in that situation instead of driving away. What was she thinking? Someone could have died, what if someone else had a gun?

The black woman in the video was an arrogant knob but there was no obvious threat of a physical attack. The gun was a total over reaction and potentially fatal in my opinion.

If both parties were white in the same altercation, would you support or justify the pulling of a gun.

[Deleted User]

Tony EH wrote: »

What a stupid, stupid, country. :rolleyes:

.....

Come on tony, you are better than that.

338 million people.

America is a stupid country?

We have a miniscule population in comparison and have a plethora of examples of stupidity.

JimmyVik

joe40 wrote: »

Did I just watch the same video as everyone else? The rights and wrongs in a verbal altercation fade into insignificance when one of the parties pulls a gun and points it at people. Regardless of race.

Someone could easily have died there, I can't comprehend some of the attitudes here, defending the woman who pulled a gun. Granted the situation was annoying but to escalate to that extent by pulling a gun is mind boggling.

Just out of curiosity. Who do you think was racist in that video?

BloodBath

joe40 wrote: »

Did I just watch the same video as everyone else? The rights and wrongs in a verbal altercation fade into insignificance when one of the parties pulls a gun and points it at people. Regardless of race.

Someone could easily have died there, I can't comprehend some of the attitudes here, defending the woman who pulled a gun. Granted the situation was annoying but to escalate to that extent by pulling a gun is mind boggling.

Depending on state laws it's perfectly acceptable. Antagonizing what looks like a pregnant woman and causing her that much stress is downright disgusting.

They also threatened violence, held them against their will along with a load of verbal abuse and accusations of being racist. I would say she was well within her rights to pull the gun.

It was very much a last resort after listening to what they had to say, apologizing and trying to get out of there.

You are very blinkered if you think the woman pulling the gun was wrong in this scenario.

Tony EH

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhdMcrBuDU

What a stupid, stupid, country. :rolleyes:

JimmyVik

joe40 wrote: »

Did I just watch the same video as everyone else? The rights and wrongs in a verbal altercation fade into insignificance when one of the parties pulls a gun and points it at people. Regardless of race.

Someone could easily have died there, I can't comprehend some of the attitudes here, defending the woman who pulled a gun. Granted the situation was annoying but to escalate to that extent by pulling a gun is mind boggling.

As I said, I wouldnt have pulled the gun, but she was put under some serious stress. Not surprised she snepped. That bang at the back of the car she probably thought someone was even shooting at her, or that shed run over someone. Lost the head. Respect to her for staying cool as long as she did.

Tony EH

Sinzo wrote: »

That said, white people, as the majority, do have to look at their behaviour and how they deal with blacks.

The majority of white people look at black people the same as they do anyone else. As people, good, bad and indifferent.

That's no to say that some white people aren't racist in some way. A good number would be. But you'll get that amongst every people, regardless of their skin colour.

The problem with the current narrative is that today white people are to feel endlessly guilty about injustices done to black people years before most of them were even born. If anything that's going to breed MORE resentment among those who are already predisposed to being racist in the first place.

There's waaaaay too much generalisation going one with the moves coming from the likes of BLM and silly terms like "white privilege" are of no help whatsoever in highlighting black people's concerns. Especially when it's in a context outside of the U.S. where the civil rights concerns of American black people didn't apply.

America is a sick country, with a rotten past and a putrid present. In all areas of its politics, it absolutely stinks, whether that's domestically or in their foreign affairs. It's run terribly and its political class are either cretinous, downright dangerous, or both. Additionally, their political stew tends to boil over into other countries too, more so since the advent of the internet, as younger folk live their lives on it. What happens in the U.S. is "their" news and they see it as an impact (real or imagined) on their own lives. There's people that know less about their own country than the do about the States and a lot of them haven't even set foot there.

joe40

Did I just watch the same video as everyone else? The rights and wrongs in a verbal altercation fade into insignificance when one of the parties pulls a gun and points it at people. Regardless of race.

Someone could easily have died there, I can't comprehend some of the attitudes here, defending the woman who pulled a gun. Granted the situation was annoying but to escalate to that extent by pulling a gun is mind boggling.

JimmyVik

BloodBath wrote: »

I'd cut him loose. He sounds like an idiot who's going to get you into trouble at some point. Only a matter of time before he accuses you of being racist.

This is bred into him somehow. Dont know how, but it is.
But to be fair, he is a good guy. And a good friend and would do anything for you.

JimmyVik

Deleted User wrote: »

Sad? I find it more scary than anything else. I'd forgotten just how nutty Americans are... Imagine if that happened to you... You bump into someone by accident, and they start videoing while going mental at you. Nobody should have to tolerate that.

Watch "Inside The K"

JimmyVik

Deleted User wrote: »

She escalated when her car was hit. My reaction would have been to drive away regardless but, I understand that many Americans feel the need to protect their right to defend themselves.

She pulled it. She didn't use it. TBH the Mother was worse because she was aggressive throughout and was the one who hit the car... Although how did she manage to hit it? the comments say she hit it with her hand, but she was some distance from the car when the noise came on the video...

I admire the husbands restraint. Smart man. Imagine if it had been a white man who responded to the Black womans behavior? Ouch.

Agreed.

The one in red walked in behind it and then gave it a clatter. You can actually see it in the video.

What i meant about pulling the gun was that after she pulled it she clearly didnt want to use it and she ended up backing up. When you get your bluff called its hard to back down with a gun in your hand is what i mean.

BloodBath

JimmyVik wrote: »

My friend is black.
He works in the same job as me. Gets paid the same as me. But he is always going on about how people are racist to him.
Now I dont doubt that he has had this at times, but he now attributes everything to racism.
I could give loads of examples, but here is one that happened just after Christmas this year.
We are driving home late one night and got pulled over by the cops.
they breathalyzed me and my friend starts muttering under his breath.
The cop asked him what he was saying and he got cheeky.
We were both then asked to get out of the car and given a dressing down for acting the pr!ck, which he was but I wasnt.
So as we were pulling away he bangs the dash and says "see, they only stopped us because I was black and then they pulled us out of the car because I was black".

Now I tried to explain to him that all the cars stopped and breathalyzed around us hardly contained black guys. And we only got further attention because he was acting the pr!ck. I pointed out to him that I also got guff off the cop and none of it would have happened if he had sat there and been quiet while I blew into the bag.

He didnt talk to me for days. And its not the first time something along similar lines has happened. He sees racism everywhere. Probably thinks I was racist for not agreeing it was racist.

When I worked in the US I worked with so many black guys who were the same. Always looking for a racist angle. And actually being racist against whites and latinos themselves and just not seeing it. Not all mind you, but a lot. And I could tell you which ones it would be that would be like that, once I heard where they grew up.

Ive loads more stories like that, but I would just bore you to tears. I was just thinking about this one today.

I'd cut him loose. He sounds like an idiot who's going to get you into trouble at some point. Only a matter of time before he accuses you of being racist.

[Deleted User]

JimmyVik wrote: »

Im on the white womans side. But see what happens when you escalate yourself.
She pulled a gun. Then she is scared because now she has to back up unless she actually uses it. I get she was scared and pushed into it and that over there she is entitled to defend herself with a gun, put pulling it was a bad idea.

She escalated when her car was hit. My reaction would have been to drive away regardless but, I understand that many Americans feel the need to protect their right to defend themselves.

She pulled it. She didn't use it. TBH the Mother was worse because she was aggressive throughout and was the one who hit the car... Although how did she manage to hit it? the comments say she hit it with her hand, but she was some distance from the car when the noise came on the video...

I admire the husbands restraint. Smart man. Imagine if it had been a white man who responded to the Black womans behavior? Ouch.

Anyway this isnt about gun laws I guess so im going off topic.
She was attacked because she was white. These people saw a victim and did their best to exploit the situation for their own ends. And that is being propogated on twitter.

Agreed.

[Deleted User]

Cupatae wrote: »

Some of the comments are mind boggling... the sad thing is they genuinely believe in what they are saying..

Sad? I find it more scary than anything else. I'd forgotten just how nutty Americans are... Imagine if that happened to you... You bump into someone by accident, and they start videoing while going mental at you. Nobody should have to tolerate that.

JimmyVik

Cupatae wrote: »

Black woman No1 "Ill beat your *white ass* too"

Black woman No:2 immediately after, "You are very racist and ignorant" :pac:

She was dead right to pull the gun and defend herself from people that persistently attacked and threatened them, thats what concealed carry is for.

Im on the white womans side. But see what happens when you escalate yourself.
She pulled a gun. Then she is scared because now she has to back up unless she actually uses it. I get she was scared and pushed into it and that over there she is entitled to defend herself with a gun, put pulling it was a bad idea.

Anyway this isnt about gun laws I guess so im going off topic.
She was attacked because she was white. These people saw a victim and did their best to exploit the situation for their own ends. And that is being propogated on twitter.

Cupatae

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree. The white couple were set up. It's obvious throughout the video that the Black woman was looking for trouble. Probably hoping to sue them later.

The comments are horrendous.

"@makaysmith10
Systemic racism at it’s finest. Took their guns. No arrests. File a civil suit? The tricky part will be the grounds for a civil suit. This might be an intentional tort. I googled it. I’m not a lawyer so please consult one! These situations have to stop!!!!!"

How can anyone be this dumb?

Some of the comments are mind boggling... the sad thing is they genuinely believe in what they are saying..

[Deleted User]

Cupatae wrote: »

Black woman No1 "Ill beat your *white ass* too"

Black woman No:2 immediately after, "You are very racist and ignorant" :pac:

She was dead right to pull the gun and defend herself from people that persistently attacked and threatened them, thats what concealed carry is for.

I agree. The white couple were set up. It's obvious throughout the video that the Black woman was looking for trouble. Probably hoping to sue them later.

The comments are horrendous.

"@makaysmith10
Systemic racism at it’s finest. Took their guns. No arrests. File a civil suit? The tricky part will be the grounds for a civil suit. This might be an intentional tort. I googled it. I’m not a lawyer so please consult one! These situations have to stop!!!!!"

How can anyone be this dumb?

Cupatae

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

This is the original tweet

https://twitter.com/makaysmith10/status/1278533303847583746

The comments under that tweet show exactly why america is up in a heap.