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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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standardg60

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It's weird that people at an IRA funeral are being criticised for not wearing masks.

Pmsl.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Read slowly...I didn't compare Bobby Storey to Garda Horkan at any stage.

I did compare the 'funerals' of both men.

Both funerals broke the regulations.

Which funeral had a political party leader at it, responsible for leading by example?

By what standard was her attendance necessary?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is really splitting hairs territory....if you have antibodies...it cant attach to human cells

(Same way,as yous get cancer everyday,but your body beats it everyday iirc)

If its not attaching to you/entering system,how can you spread it?

The amount of antibodies is important too. Research so far hasn't supported the theory that previous infection provides immunity.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

By what standard was her attendance necessary?

Her own standards I presume.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Her own standards I presume.

Well, Tony Holohan has said that all non-essential travel should not take place, so you are saying that Mary-Lou makes her own rules and standards and that the government’s don’t apply.

P.S. you avoided the first question. You have made a virtue of claiming you never dodge a question.

Granadino

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It's weird that people at an IRA funeral are being criticised for not wearing masks.

You should credit Tim McGarry for that gag at least...

Granadino

Darc19 wrote: »

Don't know why some people are getting worked up over some people gathering for a funeral in the UK.

Nothing really to do with us here in the Republic of Ireland.

Must try harder

Granadino

Does the presence of leading SF politicians confirm that they are indeed the political wing of the IRA?

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

Well, Tony Holohan has said that all non-essential travel should not take place, so you are saying that Mary-Lou makes her own rules and standards and that the government’s don’t apply.

P.S. you avoided the first question. You have made a virtue of claiming you never dodge a question.

Nonsense people are allowed go beach, shopping for anything, retuarants, pubs. None of them are essential

dundalkfc10

Granadino wrote: »

Does the presence of leading SF politicians confirm that they are indeed the political wing of the IRA?

Read a history book

JohnnyFlash

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Read a history book

Which ones, dude?

I really liked The Secret History of the IRA by Ed Moloney. Ed is heavily involved in the Boston College research into the troubles.

Hamsterchops

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It's weird that people at an IRA funeral are being criticised for not wearing masks.

They used to wear balaclavas at such events, and they'd fire guns in the air....

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Well, Tony Holohan has said that all non-essential travel should not take place, so you are saying that Mary-Lou makes her own rules and standards and that the government’s don’t apply.

P.S. you avoided the first question. You have made a virtue of claiming you never dodge a question.

I ignored the question because I never said anything about a political leader at funerals anywhere on this thread.

You will have to ask Mary Lou if her travel was essential in her view.

One could ask was having beers on a beach really essential too, but one wouldn't be that stuck for criticism, would one.

Hurrache

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You will have to ask Mary Lou if her travel was essential in her view.

Dangerously close to the Cummings defense Francie, I'd never have thought you'd look to the Tories for inspiration

FrancieBrady

Hurrache wrote: »

Dangerously close to the Cummings defense Francie, I'd never have thought you'd look to the Tories for inspiration

I've already criticised it Hurrache. Not sure why blanch has decided to prosecute me.

padd b1975

Granadino wrote: »

Does the presence of leading SF politicians confirm that they are indeed the political wing of the IRA?

Rip Van Winkle over here!

Mortelaro

I suspect this is going to be Sinn Féins Cummings episode alright
MLM was in the church but family members not :eek:
Core Republicans might turn a blind eye

The Sinn Féin vice-president added: "Regrettably a considerable number of family members were unable to take part in the cortege as a result of current restrictions, like many other families who have been unable to properly grieve or mourn the loss of a loved one in a traditional way as a result of the Covid crisis.

"These restrictions have been very difficult for families who have lost a loved one and particularly those who lost a loved one during the period when society was in lockdown."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-53246224

Bishop of hope

Weird isn't it that there's not much input from the army of lads that were after Leo for his tryst in the phoenix Park!

FrancieBrady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Which ones, dude?

I really liked The Secret History of the IRA by Ed Moloney. Ed is heavily involved in the Boston College research into the troubles.

Even the British courts have called those tapes 'unreliable'.

Just think, person with grudge/agenda gets to make untested claims, no prosecution or rebuttal.

That is in research terms much the same as the Diplock courts or the SCC or indeed kangaroo court territory.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Weird isn't it that there's not much input from the army of lads that were after Leo for his tryst in the phoenix Park!

Personally didn't get the big kerfuffle over leo having a few cans in the park, man was entitled to a day in the sun with his pals on a day off.

However, there's a bit of irony in that post, because I seen very little people trying to use the funeral of Garda Horkan as a means to score political points.

Quite clearly there was some protocols broken by certain individuals at Bobby Storey's funeral.

But so too were protocols broken at Garda Horkans.

There's no telescopic lens camera trickery going on there, just members of a community United in grief to show their respects to a valued member of the community.

The same could be said for Storey, people might argue over their differences in politics, but that's their problems.

Surely there's not going to be one set of ridicule for one group of mourners, and a hall pass for the other?

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Personally didn't get the big kerfuffle over leo having a few cans in the park, man was entitled to a day in the sun with his pals on a day off.

However, there's a bit of irony in that post, because I seen very little people trying to use the funeral of Garda Horkan as a means to score political points.

Quite clearly there was some protocols broken by certain individuals at Bobby Storey's funeral.

But so too were protocols broken at Garda Normans.

There's no telescopic lens camera trickery going on there, just members of a community United in grief to show their respects to a valued member of the community.

The same could be said for Storey, people might argue over their differences in politics, but that's their problems.

Surely there's not going to be one set of ridicule for one group of mourners, and a hall pass for the other?

I agree mostly.
But if you look at the optics it's different with regards to politicians, and political messages.
Context and perception.
The general public like to show and pay their respects. No argument or fault attached to them as such from me.
I've stood in a few funeral processions myself since lockdown that weren't strictly social distant adherent.
But our political leaders need to show, leadership is all I have to say on the matter really.
Tbf the unfortunate gardas funeral cortege broke restrictions too indeed.
And Rip Bobby Storey BTW, an important figure in the peace process by all accounts.

event

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Read slowly...I didn't compare Bobby Storey to Garda Horkan at any stage.

I did compare the 'funerals' of both men.

Both funerals broke the regulations.

Wow, nice.

Good to see you finally answered it though

FrancieBrady

event wrote: »

Wow, nice.

Good to see you finally answered it though

Maybe if you had read these two posts you'd have seen I answered the question.

It was your good self who jumped to the conclusion that I was comparing the people being buried.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113896095&postcount=6684

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113896173&postcount=6690

nigeldaniel

Would they [SF] all have turned up if there were no cameras?
Sf have a long track record of publicity stunts at every turn and opportunity.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Personally didn't get the big kerfuffle over leo having a few cans in the park, man was entitled to a day in the sun with his pals on a day off.

However, there's a bit of irony in that post, because I seen very little people trying to use the funeral of Garda Horkan as a means to score political points.

Quite clearly there was some protocols broken by certain individuals at Bobby Storey's funeral.

But so too were protocols broken at Garda Horkans.

There's no telescopic lens camera trickery going on there, just members of a community United in grief to show their respects to a valued member of the community.

The same could be said for Storey, people might argue over their differences in politics, but that's their problems.

Surely there's not going to be one set of ridicule for one group of mourners, and a hall pass for the other?

One was a funeral for a Garda killed in the line of duty.

The other was a funeral for an ordinary citizen who was an evil criminal.

I see a distinction, but leave that aside, the main point is the example being shown by political leaders. There was no reason for Mary-Lou and Michelle O'Neill to be at that funeral. Bobby Storey wasn't a politician, he wasn't a public servant, he was an ordinary citizen and the turnout in full of SF public representatives was completely over the top, unnecessary, and arrogantly showing two fingers to ordinary people who couldn't mourn their own.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

One was a funeral for a Garda killed in the line of duty.

The other was a funeral for an ordinary citizen who was an evil criminal. I see a distinction, but leave that aside

So restrictions apply if you are going to the funeral of an 'evil criminal' but not when you are going to the funeral of a Garda? Wouldn't you just love it if that rubbish comment 'was left aside'.

, the main point is the example being shown by political leaders. There was no reason for Mary-Lou and Michelle O'Neill to be at that funeral. Bobby Storey wasn't a politician, he wasn't a public servant, he was an ordinary citizen and the turnout in full of SF public representatives was completely over the top, unnecessary, and arrogantly showing two fingers to ordinary people who couldn't mourn their own.

It wasn't any where near a 'full turnout of SF public reps.'

Clearly the photo's seem to show that restrictions were broken as other phots have shown at other points in this pandemic.

I think SF could have done a lot better yesterday and I said it from the get go here. BUT I have to note that to my knowledge the only instance of breaking of regs that you have criticised have been whenever SF have trangressed.
As hypocritical as it gets.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

One was a funeral for a Garda killed in the line of duty.

The other was a funeral for an ordinary citizen who was an evil criminal.

The virus doesn't care blanch.

So you are ridiculing one and hall passing the other.

Brilliant. You sir are a hypocrite.

FrancieBrady

nigeldaniel wrote: »

Would they [SF] all have turned up if there were no cameras?

Does a tree in the forest make a cracking sound as it falls if there is nobody within earshot?

In short...how would we know if there were 'no cameras' there to record the event?

joeguevara

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Does a tree in the forest make a cracking sound as it falls if there is nobody within earshot?

In short...how would we know if there were 'no cameras' there to record the event?

There probably would have been a statement setting out that as far as they were aware there wasn't even a funeral.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So restrictions apply if you are going to the funeral of an 'evil criminal' but not when you are going to the funeral of a Garda? Wouldn't you just love it if that rubbish comment 'was left aside'.

It wasn't any where near a 'full turnout of SF public reps.'

Clearly the photo's seem to show that restrictions were broken as other phots have shown at other points in this pandemic.

I think SF could have done a lot better yesterday and I said it from the get go here. BUT I have to note that to my knowledge the only instance of breaking of regs that you have criticised have been whenever SF have trangressed.
As hypocritical as it gets.

You and others spent days and post after post about Leo and his park thing, his speech, criticising it and him to the last for his insensitivities.
Christ on a bike lads where's your sensitivities now.
Are any of you prepared to state that Mary Lou and Pearse and Michelle should have a bit of cop on and show leadership instead of what went on yesterday.
Taking the crowd out of it, focusing on the politicians that were at least talking of being in govt, even Taoiseach at one stage, they were virtually sticking their fingers up at the people who suffered loss were ill and are afraid of the virus still let alone the ones who have died.
They could have had a teleconference with the family to express their sorrows or turned up and visited them privately, there was plenty of time since his death.
They could have taken out a full page ad in all the papers and on social media to highlight his career and uligise him and his achievements.
I add to my list of stupid leaders now, in line with Trump and Johnson, the leadership of the Sinn féin party, Marylou MC Donald, Pearse Doherty and Michelle O Néill at least.