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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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thomil

snotboogie wrote: »

Around this time last year a parklet sprung up in the city and I swear there was a thousand twitter posts praising it. It was nice and all but it was like something you'd build in your own back garden.

To be fair, the hullabaloo was more related to the fact that SOME sort of greenery appeared of Douglas Street rather than the “exquisite” design. I think it was actually designed to be a proof of concept if you will for quick and easy greening & traffic calming solution.

namloc1980

snotboogie wrote: »

Around this time last year a parklet sprung up in the city and I swear there was a thousand twitter posts praising it. It was nice and all but it was like something you'd build in your own back garden.

I think that was the whole point - that for very little cost and expense you can improve the streetscape immensely. Whereas that stupid sky garden has cost a ludicrous amount of money.

Rhys Essien

opus wrote: »

For sure, Glen River park (that most people don't know about!) doesn't get a single rubbish bin in there. In fact a local group have a clean up organised every month seeing as the council won't do it.

This sight greets me every time I walk into town, has anyone come any plans to do something about the eyesore in front of the Bridewell Garda station?

The condition of that place by the Bridewell is absolutely blood boiling. How Ann Doherty sleeps at night I don’t know.

To sort it out, one of the volunteer groups should contact that Garden designer lad from Midleton who won Supergarden on RTÉ and let him come up with a simple budget design and set up a Go Fund Me for it.

Basically just bypass the incompetent dopes in the suits.

rino87

thomil wrote: »

To be fair, the hullabaloo was more related to the fact that SOME sort of greenery appeared of Douglas Street rather than the “exquisite” design. I think it was actually designed to be a proof of concept if you will for quick and easy greening & traffic calming solution.

It was a cool little yoke, we should have more of them!

thejuggler

Planning lodged for redevelopment of queens old castle. 2 retail units plus offices at rear. Mainly internal changes it seems. I wonder if new tenants are lined up.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/plans-lodged-for-the-redevelopment-of-corks-historic-queens-old-castle-1008435.html

Rhys Essien

CHealy wrote: »

That entire block of side streets between OPS and South Mall, including OPS should be pedestrianised. I cringe when I see cars creeping their way up past the GPO on a packed Saturday, theres very few cities in Europe that would have it. Same as Paul St, where in the name of god are these people going?

Cork likes to think its a nice small city but in reality it has the attitude of the rural village when it comes to these topics. Its always a case of "where can I leave my car" instead of scenes like we saw on Princess St last night. The one that always gets to me is Oliver Plunket St, that should be from top to bottom a hub of outdoor stalls and dining with street covers.

Fully agree about all the narrow streets. Should all be permanently covered.

Example here from Tokyo. (The lad in the video says the streets that were covered used to be quiet and now they’re all buzzing)

https://youtu.be/VTeZcRNw3A8

who_me

calnand wrote: »

I think they were arguing the council should build the bridges at one stage.

But as far as I know, not building something in the approved plans is not a violation, only changes.

IIRC, the council were quite keen on the bridges being included. The planning may have been conditional on them being incorporated?

I do remember reading suggestions that the council paying for the bridges. I think it was when BAM were looking for additional public investment, and this was mooted as a possible workaround.. Instead of allocating additional funds to BAM (which could be problematic) and them building the bridges, reduce the costs to BAM by the council taking responsibility for providing the bridges.

snotboogie

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Fully agree about all the narrow streets. Should all be permanently covered.

Example here from Tokyo. (The lad in the video says the streets that were covered used to be quiet and now they’re all buzzing)

https://youtu.be/VTeZcRNw3A8

I've always thought that was a great idea for Oliver Plunkett Street but I prefer the more airy (and probably far more expensive) covers in Clark Quay in Singapore: https://images.app.goo.gl/C4U2EAavrvoch8RA6

Curb Your Enthusiasm

snotboogie wrote: »

I've always thought that was a great idea for Oliver Plunkett Street but I prefer the more airy (and probably far more expensive) covers in Clark Quay in Singapore: https://images.app.goo.gl/C4U2EAavrvoch8RA6

Yes, similar already exists not too far away in Waterford City.

billy the squid

Ballincollig primary care centre site. Large crane appeared this week.

Carraig centre also on old fort road opened its outdoor play facilities. Interior of building still like a building site thanks to covid19 related stoppage

billy the squid

D'Agger

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Yes, similar already exists not too far away in Waterford City.

They'd be handy to have for when it buckets down, surprised we don't have more in Ireland tbh

snotboogie

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Yes, similar already exists not too far away in Waterford City.

That would be perfect if it didn't have the run running through the middle of it.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

snotboogie wrote: »

That would be perfect if it didn't have the run running through the middle of it.

Yeah that's a shame alright, I always thought that area of the city was pedestrianised.

opus

Up to 4th floor level at the Crow's nest site. Also the planning notice dated June 29th from the Coca Cola site on the straight road.

kilrush

There seems to be some movement removing furniture and the like from the Glenanaar pub in recent days so perhaps work may begin there in the short term.

fonecrusher1

opus wrote: »

Up to 4th floor level at the Crow's nest site. Also the planning notice dated June 29th from the Coca Cola site on the straight road.

Wow its already starting to dwarf those older buildings on the left there. I'm looking forward to seeing this completed. Going by the renderings it'll be quite striking. In a good way. Great to see that site used for something finally

the beer revolu

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Wow its already starting to dwarf those older buildings on the left there. I'm looking forward to seeing this completed. Going by the renderings it'll be quite striking. In a good way. Great to see that site used for something finally

It's taller than the County Hall:eek:

https://images.app.goo.gl/Qcnc99ePpTSwK8AY9

fonecrusher1

the beer revolu wrote: »

It's taller than the County Hall:eek:

https://images.app.goo.gl/Qcnc99ePpTSwK8AY9

Careful now! That new group will starting complaining about it. Whats this there called? .... oh yeah: The whingers against anything new group.

:pac:

ofcork

Couple of small things ive seen building being demolished on corner of wood street/lynchs street and also start of thomas davis street in blackpool.

Tomtom364

billy the squid wrote: »

Ballincollig primary care centre site. Large crane appeared this week.

Carraig centre also on old fort road opened its outdoor play facilities. Interior of building still like a building site thanks to covid19 related stoppage

Thats not a crane, its a piling rig

blindsider

Crow's Nest looks like 9 storeys to me....?

http://www.jvtierney.ie/projects/ucc-crow-s-nest-student-accommodation-cork

Not convinced by the design - but I suppose we're stuck with it now......

opus

opus wrote: »

Went out for my allowed bit of personal exercise early this morning to get empty roads & spotted a planning notice on the long derelict site at the end of the Mardyke (near AIB) for 30 apartments, presumably for students. Good time to throw it up, a lot of the residents of the Mardyke are on the older side so won't be out to read it & object (or I am just being cynical?).

This got rejected by the council, it looks like the same people have been applying to build there for the last 15 years! I admire their persistence.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1278776798491357187?s=19

Another crumbling building in Cork.

Apogee

Evening Echo wrote:

A LARGE scale student accommodation development in Cork city has been given the go-ahead by An Bord Pleanála, provided four apartments are removed from the plans.It has given the green light for 21 instead of 25 apartments to be constructed on the former Kelleher’s Tyres Service Centre on Victoria Cross Road, resulting in a reduction in bed capacity from the 154 planned.

Conditional permission was previously granted for the development by Cork City Council, but one of the conditions was subsequently appealed by the developers to An Bord Pleanala.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-city-student-development-given-green-light-by-planning-board-f6d85b5c-fcf1-4ed5-a5ca-ccf3871d8d3a-ds

igCorcaigh

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1278776798491357187?s=19

Another crumbling building in Cork.

There needs to be a thorough investigation of all buildings in the city centre. I thought that would have been done after the incidents in the 2000s?

SleetAndSnow

igCorcaigh wrote: »

There needs to be a thorough investigation of all buildings in the city centre. I thought that would have been done after the incidents in the 2000s?

Isn't this the third building now within 2019/2020 years? Queens castle, this new building and another one on washington street? Did north main street building get boarded up in 2019 or 2018?

igCorcaigh

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Isn't this the third building now within 2019/2020 years? Queens castle, this new building and another one on washington street? Did north main street building get boarded up in 2019 or 2018?

Was it last year? Still an eyesore.

Outkast_IRE

The issue with the current building is that i dont believe its derelict in any way shape or form , with the ground floor unit active and renters above . Judging by the initial reports at least.

To be fair to the council is a building is actively occupied and generating income you would expect any issues with stablilty , water ingress etc. to be reported and fixed by the landlord pronto in their own interest.

whisky_galore

blindsider wrote: »

Crow's Nest looks like 9 storeys to me....?

http://www.jvtierney.ie/projects/ucc-crow-s-nest-student-accommodation-cork

Not convinced by the design - but I suppose we're stuck with it now......

They can call it the Minecraft Quarter.
Ugly pile.