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The Last of Us 2 - SPOILERS!!!

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SureYWouldntYa

Yet the one in a functioning military hasnt access to a proper knife like Ellie does, and you cant always stealth clickers and have to craft shivs

Did up the difficulty for her parts of the game which isnt necessarily a bad thing, was just a bit redundant and annoying

johnny_ultimate

Just in pure gameplay terms, I really like how discernibly different Abby and Ellie are to play as. The basic gameplay doesn’t shift much at all, but Abby feels so much more capable with weapons in particular - even the fact her rifle feels like a proper, professional piece of kit makes perfect sense given her setup in life compared to Ellie’s more ramshackle, clunky toolset. Always like to see character and personality expressed through mechanics, and this is a fine, effective example of that,

Markitron

Deleted User wrote: »

I am only referencing the spoiler masking aspects.

I don't have an issue with playing either character personally.

Fair nuff!

I am probably just projecting, I only finished it last night but I kept seeing this comparison, which I really don't think is apt at all.

[Deleted User]

Markitron wrote: »

I actually don't really consider it a bait and switch at all, you spend about 15-16 hours playing as Ellie, it is her story and it starts and ends with her. Abby's story is there to add context.

MGS2 was a prologue as Snake and the whole game as Raiden, it was his story. I really don't think they are comparable at all beyond the superficial.

I am only referencing the spoiler masking aspects.

I don't have an issue with playing either character personally.

Markitron

Deleted User wrote: »

Alot of folks are in this position

Masking such a bait and switch in the game was probably part of the struggle here, you can claim it was deceptive and that's fine but it really does sound like it wasn't an afterthought. It was as per design from day 1 IMO

The leaks caused turmoil to that plan

As I have been mulling it over it's starting to come together for me

The bait and switch reminds me of MGS2 in certain aspects. But was easier to mask that as mass internet media / coverage / leaks was not a thing back then.

I remember being absolutely raging about that initially and so were alot of the MGS fanbase. Now I love it and why it was done.

I actually don't really consider it a bait and switch at all, you spend about 15-16 hours playing as Ellie, it is her story and it starts and ends with her. Abby's story is there to add context.

MGS2 was a prologue as Snake and the whole game as Raiden, it was his story. I really don't think they are comparable at all beyond the superficial.

gimli2112

The MGS2 analogy is a good one. I remember people being murderous at the time that you had to play as Raiden who was widely despised as a result.
I think TLOU2 goes a lot further in terms of taking apart the legacy of the first one. The further I get from it the less I'm liking it, its like my brain is slowly being infected by a mushroom.
I think ND achieved exactly what they set out to do and that's fine and in a way admirable but it doesn't mean I have to like it. I also don't like some of the tools they used to achieve it.
I do agree with Echelon Games summary, that it's an exercise in making the player miserable

Penn

gimli2112 wrote: »

yeah I was reading that on the TLOU subreddit. A plot hole it would seem as Ellie bit the mad cannibal (Richard?) in the first one telling him he was infected now too.

I have a feeling she bit her in the first fight in the movie theatre.

I doubt Ellie can pass on the infection like that. Otherwise you'd imagine even kissing would pass it on too. I'd say she was just telling the cannibal (David) that he was now infected just to distract him so she could try to escape as she wouldn't know herself at that stage whether she could infect people anyway.

[Deleted User]

gimli2112 wrote: »

Watched Upper Echelon Games' review this morning and he eviscerates the story and ND choices both here and with the marketing. Has there ever been such a divisive game?
I'm a mega nerd fanboy of the first which puts me in a difficult position with it.

Alot of folks are in this position

Masking such a bait and switch in the game was probably part of the struggle here, you can claim it was deceptive and that's fine but it really does sound like it wasn't an afterthought. It was as per design from day 1 IMO

The leaks caused turmoil to that plan

As I have been mulling it over it's starting to come together for me

The bait and switch reminds me of MGS2 in certain aspects. But was easier to mask that as mass internet media / coverage / leaks was not a thing back then.

I remember being absolutely raging about that initially and so were alot of the MGS fanbase. Now I love it and why it was done.

gimli2112

Watched Upper Echelon Games' review this morning and he eviscerates the story and ND choices both here and with the marketing. Has there ever been such a divisive game?
I'm a mega nerd fanboy of the first which puts me in a difficult position with it.

Markitron

Thought the ending was perfect, when she tries to play Pearl Jam at the end but can't because of her missing fingers, amazing. Last shot was so nice as well.

[Deleted User]

gimli2112 wrote: »

Part 3 for me starts with Ellie waking up and 2 was just a bad dream. There's a petition in reddit for ND to change the story. Had over 50,000 signatures last I saw.

Petitions like this are weird imo

Like I mean regardless if you like or dislike something knowbody should be forced to change the vision they went ahead with

gimli2112

Part 3 for me starts with Ellie waking up and 2 was just a bad dream. There's a petition in reddit for ND to change the story. Had over 50,000 signatures last I saw.

[Deleted User]

gimli2112 wrote: »

yeah I was reading that on the TLOU subreddit. A plot hole it would seem as Ellie bit the mad cannibal (Richard?) in the first one telling him he was infected now too.

I have a feeling she bit her in the first fight in the movie theatre.

I actually could see this being some form of driver for a part 3 tbh

gimli2112

yeah I was reading that on the TLOU subreddit. A plot hole it would seem as Ellie bit the mad cannibal (Richard?) in the first one telling him he was infected now too.

I have a feeling she bit her in the first fight in the movie theatre.

[Deleted User]

Did anyone realise Abby was

bitten

by Ellie or was I imaging it?

I only remembered now...I think

Is she immune?

gimli2112

I'm really struggling on the second play through.

First run was a lot more enjoyable and while that's understandable I loved replaying the original and on different difficulty settings. I agree I can't get it out of my head but not sure that's a good thing.

I (for some unknown reason) woke up at 2am Sunday morning, got up and finished it. I was like a zombie all day.

[Deleted User]

I've yet to fill in how I feel about it all. But I understand why it's so divisive

I actually deleted an earlier post as I got conflicted as I posted it!

There are some credible criticisms on Both sides of the arguments once you wade through some of the nonsense

The thing about it is I've completed it a couple of days ago and I still can't stop thinking about the game

That's powerful regardless and not many a game or movie I have experienced has done it before

I was one of the lucky ones to avoid all the spoilers and went in blind

It's too soon really to give a synopsis tbh. Need to mull over it some more.

I think a really too to see if I missed some plot points

gimli2112

Reading the metacritic user reviews are gas. Some of them clearly haven't 'played the game and are just posting 10s or zeros.

Positive
Amazing game. The graphics are breathtaking, the gameplay is great and every character is just lovable. Naughty Dog has done it again.

A lot of them have the bolded bit in the review.

Negative
Let me break this down for you quickly: PANDERING has negatively infected gaming culture and the Last of Us 2 is the quintessential example of it.
However the sound, game-play and the game's overall fun factor is connected to the story Naughty Dog has written, thus it suffers immensely for it. 1/10

This one has more words in it than the bible (I just quoted the opening and closing lines) but the big problem with the game is pandering apparently.

Have to say I'm agreeing with the negative a lot more than the positive but I still think it's a good game. The story just killed me.

[Deleted User]

The fan in me is hoping for some joel and tommy content but that doesn't look likely

Penn

Deleted User wrote: »

You are right but that was single player content

Multiplayer was already a component of the original game

I think by ND saying they are working on a 'new mode' but not specifically working on actual content dlc might give evidence to what I'm saying

I almost think the multiplayer might be released as an expanded standalone game. Maybe not full-price release, but along the lines of Uncharted Lost Legacy.

[Deleted User]

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Hmm, always thought the Last of Us DLC was pre PS4.

You are right but that was single player content

Multiplayer was already a component of the original game

I think by ND saying they are working on a 'new mode' but not specifically working on actual content dlc might give evidence to what I'm saying

Retr0gamer

Hmm, always thought the Last of Us DLC was pre PS4.

[Deleted User]

I expect a updated version with multiplayer on PS5

There is no way they are getting away with a "remaster" this soon into it's lifecycle

The difference being here is that PS5 is being marketed as cross compatible where as ps3 -ps4 was not

Gamer Bhoy 89

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It doesn't make sense with the time frame of the PS5 launch. Once that's launch All focus from Sony and it's studios will be on the PS5.

But the original Last of Us came out the same year the PS4 came out, and they still released DLC for it post-PS4 launch. Not saying they'll make DLC for TLOU2 post-PS5 launch but the launch of the PS5 wouldn't stop them. They said they made Left Behind with less staff than usual

Retr0gamer

It doesn't make sense with the time frame of the PS5 launch. Once that's launch All focus from Sony and it's studios will be on the PS5.

Kirby

You're on.

What makes you so sure they wont? Because "they've said so" isn't a great reason when they've said that before.

SMC92Ian

Kirby wrote: »

Yes they've said there wont be DLC. But they've lied before for good reasons so I wouldn't put much stock in it either way.

Bet you a tenner.

Kirby

SMC92Ian wrote: »

No DLC, they're doing the multiplayer.

Yes they've said there wont be DLC. But they've lied before for good reasons so I wouldn't put much stock in it either way.

SMC92Ian

Kirby wrote: »

Well ND and Druckman claimed there was no Last of us 2 even as they worked on it. It's just how they roll. Left behind was announced early but they denied the existence of a sequel for years.

I'd put it at about 50/50. In my mind the planned Abby and Lev DLC will be scrapped and it will be a Joel focused story instead.

No DLC, they're doing the multiplayer.

shrewdness

Kirby wrote: »

You are remembering wrong.

It's not a choice to kill the doctor, everyone did it. Your choice is whether to stab him or shoot him but the game wont proceed without doing it. Even if you shoot him in the toe he dies.

There are two other doctors in the room which you can choose to spare but the main doctor who picks up the scalpel and points it at you always dies.

Yep, that's sounds about right to me. Just didn't want to act 100% sure as it's been years since I played it. Apparently most chose not to kill the doctor though!