jam_mac_jam wrote: » Is the issue of women's sport also a non existent loophole?
LLMMLL wrote: » What's happening in Ireland with women in sport. Who holds the Irish records or championship titles in various Irish sports. How has self id changed that in Ireland?
Bannasidhe wrote: » Then all those children in the Dominican Republic who grow a penis when puberty starts are female?
CtevenSrowder wrote: » No-one is forcing it. They can have surgery or they cannot, it's up to them. There is nothing preventing them living their life as the gender they choose. If they do not, it will not be recognised legally. Unless we find some other way of, for example, preventing biological males in women's spaces. I'm all ears. None is forthcoming. What do you propose exactly? Or is it a case of women just having to suck it up? I won't hold my breath waiting for answer to these questions. We both know you won't answer them.
Bannasidhe wrote: » As an example of how gender/biological sex is not a simple matter of what genitalia a person is born with - but you know that don't you. All you are doing now is trying to take umbrage on other people's behalf by claiming I said something I didn't say. Not very honest debating tactic now is it?
hetuzozaho wrote: » If you transitioned (from man to woman) and self id'd are you saying the person should go to the male or female prison?
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Forcing surgery despite the fact most trans people dont have surgery and cant have surgery
jam_mac_jam wrote: » I see. Don't answer so.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » That is saying you cant get a gender recognition cert until you have had surgery e.g. Forcing surgery despite the fact most trans people dont have surgery and cant have surgery
Gruffalox wrote: » How does your correction assertion explain the medical specialists from Tavistock Gender Clinic on a BBC Newsnight program last week saying that parental homophobia was driving many cases of child medicalisation.
One eyed Jack wrote: » I suggest we punish people who commit abuse the same way we always have done. It’s not that the legislation is poorly thought out at all, as it’s intended to protect people from unlawful discrimination, not to enable people to commit abuse. What you’re suggesting is the equivalent of arguing that because there are some people who use marriage as a means to abuse people, we should prohibit everyone from being able to enter into marriage, just in case like.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » Can people stop with this stupidity? I’m a biological woman, as are other posters here voicing concerns. Here’s the thing: any biological woman who has no problem with sharing facilities with transgender women loses nothing either way. Biological women who do have a problem with it have something to lose and are afraid to speak about it in real life. Anonymity on forums like this is all we have really. And even on here, we are assumed to be men. You know that many creepy to downright criminal things that happen to women and especially girls are never told to anyone, right? I’m sorry, but are you waiting for something awful to happen? Trusting that nothing has never happened because we’ve never heard about it is hopelessly naive. And I’m more interested in prevention.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Really? The percentage of trans people of the population is completely insignificant statistically wise 422 Have GRAs since the end of 2018 and the 2016 population is 4.76 Million so we are talking about roughly 0.009% of the population. I dont how such a small percentage invalidates any statistics.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » Yeah, but nobody is going to be able to demand to see somebody’s GRC in sex-segregated facilities. So it doesn’t really matter how many people actually have one. In my hometown, there were two blatant pesterers of women. One would paw and grope any woman or girl who walked past them at any time of the day, the other would come into the shop I worked in every day to ask me what colour knickers I was wearing. I was 17. They were both totally brazen. There is no doubt in my mind that either of these (now deceased) men would exploit self-ID laws. No doubt. They carried on being disgusting without any shame at all. They could not control themselves. Now, this was a really small town where everyone knew them and gave them a wide berth. Or squared up to them like my father did when the grabber went for my mother. But what about slightly bigger towns or cities where the degenerates are NOT known to everybody? Degenerate exploits the fact that a GRC cannot be demanded of anybody and the woman or girl faced with them doesn’t know them and cannot confront them. You really think a scenario like this is impossible?
[Deleted User] wrote: » That a massive false equivalence. It is not just sexual abuse or abuse at all. It is the fact that with the self ID law anybody can claim to be any gender and this has issues with sports, sex specific activities, sex specific changing areas, sex specific anything.
[Deleted User] wrote: » But now that you mention it, it is ridiculous that someone can "legally" change their gender easier than it is to get married or divorced in this country. I could become a wife to my wife before I could become single.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Since 2008 3314 transgender people were murdered for being transgender. Often in the most horrific brutal way.
Bannasidhe wrote: » You quite possibly already shared a facility with a transgender woman and never even known it. That's how threatening the threat is. As awful as transgender women being beaten to death? 331 last year up to Nov. 10 in Europe incl UK. Since 2008 3314 transgender people were murdered for being transgender. Often in the most horrific brutal way.
Norf FC wrote: » Lol you think Larry Murphy types won't take advantage?
Bannasidhe wrote: » You quite possibly already shared a facility with a transgender woman and never even known it. That's how threatening the threat is. As awful as transgender women being beaten to death? 331 last year up to Nov. 10 in Europe incl UK. Since 2008 3314 transgender people were murdered for being transgender. Often in the most horrific brutal way. Something awful is already happening, it has been for decades. It's happening to the people who are being called 'a threat'. So no - I will never stand on the same side of a line where the brutal killers of people who just wanted to feel comfortable in their own bodies stand. They are the same hate filled bigot who screamed gay plague 30 years ago. They are the same hate filled bigots who carry out 'corrective rape' on lesbians. Everyone here makes their choice where they stand. I stand with transgendered people and against hate. Every single time. And on that note people of all genders I have said what I have to say so I will leave you all to it.
Gatling wrote: » So wait 10 deaths in nearly 100 million people living in Europe What's the evidence that 3000+ people have been murdered for being trans seems quite exaggerated
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » Now, this was a really small town where everyone knew them and gave them a wide berth. Or squared up to them like my father did when the grabber went for my mother. But what about slightly bigger towns or cities where the degenerates are NOT known to everybody? Degenerate exploits the fact that a GRC cannot be demanded of anybody and the woman or girl faced with them doesn’t know them and cannot confront them. You really think a scenario like this is impossible?
Norf FC wrote: » Or men they picked up in bars..
Bannasidhe wrote: » No doubt you have seen I already made reference in this thread today to people who claim to be about protecting women from predatory trans women yet would be the same people who cry foul at #metoo when it's predatory cis men are the subject. Those are the people I am referring to. The 'whim' was a reference to the suggestion that people will seek gender re identification on a 'whim'. Yes, I do think it's a whim -I don't think the loudest voices give a monkeys about protecting women from trans people - they are simply transphobic.
jam_mac_jam wrote: » I would guess that most transgender women are killed by their partners. As most murders especially of women are. So it would be difficult to get the statistics on the number of people who are killed for being transgender. Transgender people are at a higher risk of violence though.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I’m probably one of the loudest voices on these recent threads. Inconveniently female, inconveniently vocal about women’s rights. Do you think I’m transphobic? At least I consistently care about women’s hard-won rights and don’t want to give them away.
suicide_circus wrote: » where is this? not questioning it just want to get the facts straight
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I’m probably one of the loudest voices on these recent threads. Inconveniently female, inconveniently vocal about women’s rights. Do you think I’m transphobic? At least I consistently care about women’s hard-won SEX-based rights and don’t want to give them away because of naivety and woolly logic.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » No-one is forcing it. They can have surgery or they cannot, it's up to them. There is nothing preventing them living their life as the gender they choose. If they do not, it will not be recognised legally. Unless we find some other way of, for example, preventing biological males in women's spaces. I'm all ears. None is forthcoming.What do you propose exactly? Or is it a case of women just having to suck it up? I won't hold my breath waiting for answer to these questions. We both know you won't answer them.
