Graham Linehan banned from twitter for questioning "trans ideology"

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I see there was some chatter about only 4 out of 15 cabinet members were female. Why can't a couple of the lads identify as female to make it equal?

Anti trans activists get so outraged when they are.called transphobic but just look at the above quote.

Direct proof that these people think trans women are just men who decide on a whim to be different.

Just as bad as the people who think gay people are gay "by choice".

Pure transphobia.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Men being allowed access to women's prisons or changing rooms or women's shelters. That certainly should not be allowed.

Men allowed to fight women in combat sports should not be allowed.

Men and women competing in most sports are separated. Should that change?

I see there was some chatter about only 4 out of 15 cabinet members were female. Why can't a couple of the lads identify as female to make it equal?

Men and women are different on a biological level. They should be treated as such.

What do you suggest happens to trans women then? We just ignore them and hope they go away?

LLMMLL wrote: »

My opinions aren't unscientific. They're far more scientific than anyone else on this thread. Unfortunately most people have very low science knowledge.

Trump would be proud of that claim.

In fairness, someone claiming that a man can be a woman in one post and then to make that claim....even trump hasn't said anything that ridiculous (And that's saying something...)

tigger123 wrote: »

I can maybe see the gender specific spaces bit, but I'm not sure its precious enough to be denied to trans women.

But the idea that they're taking advantage of gender rights is a bit off.

If I, as one gender, enjoy specific rights due to the gender, that is in no way diminished by someone else identifying as that gender also enjoying those rights.

Men being allowed access to women's prisons or changing rooms or women's shelters. That certainly should not be allowed.

Men allowed to fight women in combat sports should not be allowed.

Men and women competing in most sports are separated. Should that change?

I see there was some chatter about only 4 out of 15 cabinet members were female. Why can't a couple of the lads identify as female to make it equal?

Men and women are different on a biological level. They should be treated as such.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

No they aren't. You're just trying to wiggle out of your Freudian slip which acknowledged this.

Nice that you think females are 'makey uppey' though. Talk about denying people their existence. Anyway, have the last word. I'm not wasting anymore of my time with your ultra-deconstructionist, unscientific, disingenuous balderdash.

Goodnight and goodluck.

Lol there was no slip. I meant everything I said. And I also never said females were makey uppy why do you feel the need to misquote me?

My opinions aren't unscientific. They're far more scientific than anyone else on this thread. Unfortunately most people have very low science knowledge.

Gregor Samsa

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You don't appear to understand that 'rape' is a legal term and the only way women could rape is if they are a pre-op transwoman but you don't think they are women therefore women can't 'rape' - they can, and do, commit sexual assault.

According to the Criminal Law (Rape) (Amendment) Act, 1990, rape is defined as "a sexual assault that includes":

(a) penetration (however slight) of the anus or mouth by the penis, or

(b) penetration (however slight) of the vagina by any object held or manipulated by another person.

Source: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1990/act/32/section/4/enacted/en/html#sec4

Clearly the law states that any woman (or anyone of any sex or gender) can commit rape under the second definition.

Bannasidhe

Deleted User wrote: »

Hahaha. Jesus, specific about the meaning and definition of the word rape, yet loosey goosey when it comes to woman and man.

Hahahahaha
I'm going by the terms as defined in Irish legislation in both instances so am I being loosey goosey or are the people who want to make up their own terms?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

LLMMLL wrote: »

A trans woman is a woman and is female. No need to out makey uppy words in my mouth.

No they aren't. You're just trying to wiggle out of your Freudian slip which acknowledged this.

Nice that you think females are 'makey uppey' though. Talk about denying people their existence. Anyway, have the last word. I'm not wasting anymore of my time with your ultra-deconstructionist, unscientific, disingenuous balderdash.

Goodnight and goodluck.

hetuzozaho

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Noone gets riled up by trans-women. They get riled up by trans-activists and their unscientific nonsense. The two are not the same.

And have posters here encountered issues with trans women in womens spaces in day to day Ireland?

I've never heard any of the women in my life bring this up, and we all love to complain to each other

It seems to be just an argument being had on Twitter about these female spaces? Or are there confrontations happening in changing rooms around Ireland?

tigger123 wrote: »

Ok. I think its safe to say then that they are riled up by trans women wanting to share bathrooms and what not.

I'm trying to understand where that feeling is coming from.

They get riled up by the idea that someone can just proclaim themselves to be trans or a women and have access to such spaces. Some get riled up by biological men being able to compete in women only sports, or being housed with female inmates (some of whom have been sexually assaulted as a result), take female only scholarships, the complete denial that these people for have that sex exists, or that it isn't an effective binary etc.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because some people are protective about sex specific rights and or sex specific areas where they are only permitted and think that it is wrong to enable the opposite sex into such areas or take advantage of sex specific rights they should not be afforded.

And some people think acknowledgement of actual basic biology is better than capitulation to spare the feelings of others.

I can maybe see the gender specific spaces bit, but I'm not sure its precious enough to be denied to trans women.

But the idea that they're taking advantage of gender rights is a bit off.

If I, as one gender, enjoy specific rights due to the gender, that is in no way diminished by someone else identifying as that gender also enjoying those rights.

keano_afc

LLMMLL wrote: »

A trans woman is a woman and is female. No need to out makey uppy words in my mouth.

Hot dogs are dogs.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You don't appear to understand that 'rape' is a legal term and the only way women could rape is if they are a pre-op transwoman but you don't think they are women therefore women can't 'rape' - they can, and do, commit sexual assault.

I'm not sure it's feminism that is lost tbh.

Hahaha. Jesus, specific about the meaning and definition of the word rape, yet loosey goosey when it comes to woman and man.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Noone gets riled up by trans-women. They get riled up by trans-activists and their unscientific nonsense. The two are not the same.

Ok. I think its safe to say then that they are riled up by trans women wanting to share bathrooms and what not.

I'm trying to understand where that feeling is coming from.

Sir Oxman wrote: »

It wasn't clear.

Is Michael Biggs in the 'can of history' or can this study stand on it's own legs is the only question.
If not, does the original Dutch study stand up.

And yes, I know who he is.

Well it depends if people want to cherry pick bits from the study or not.

As in:

- claim decisions should not be made based on small studies
- promote a negative result for puberty blockers from a small study
- diminish a positive result for pubeety blockers from the same survey
- ignore further data that provides context for the negative result which is actually provided in the study they both promote and diminish.

tigger123 wrote: »

Genuine request: does anyone have a link handy that would explain why women get so riled up about trans women?

I really cant make sense of it or understand it at all.

Because some people are protective about sex specific rights and or sex specific areas where they are only permitted and think that it is wrong to enable the opposite sex into such areas or take advantage of sex specific rights they should not be afforded.

And some people think acknowledgement of actual basic biology is better than capitulation to spare the feelings of others.

tigger123 wrote: »

Genuine request: does anyone have a link handy that would explain why women get so riled up about trans women?

I really cant make sense of it or understand it at all.

Noone gets riled up by trans-women. They get riled up by trans-activists and their unscientific nonsense. The two are not the same.

Bannasidhe

Gruffalox wrote: »

I find you extremely contradictory. How about you have any male who identifies as a woman in your female space and I fight as a woman for the protection of my sex based spaces. Let us do our own thing.
I know females rape by the way.
And I am not a feminist. I like men. I seek EQUALITY only. Feminism is a movement that seriously lost its way.

I too find you extremely contradictory.

Your views are those of a TERF but you are not a feminist.

You seem to believe feminists don't like men, does that include the one's married to men and the mother's of sons??. Can men be feminists?

Do you not think we already have EQUALITY? If not how do you suggest we seek it? It it something we will get given to us or something we will achieve? Is liking men (whatever that means) a precondition or can we dislike men and still get EQUALITY?

You don't appear to understand that 'rape' is a legal term and the only way women could rape is if they are a pre-op transwoman but you don't think they are women therefore women can't 'rape' - they can, and do, commit sexual assault.

I'm not sure it's feminism that is lost tbh.

tigger123 wrote: »

Genuine request: does anyone have a link handy that would explain why women get so riled up about trans women?

I really cant make sense of it or understand it at all.

Google transphobia

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Yes it is synonymous with woman. You've just argued against your own World-view.

A trans-woman isn't a woman because they aren't female. I'm glad you finally understand.

A trans woman is a woman and is female. No need to out makey uppy words in my mouth.

Genuine request: does anyone have a link handy that would explain why women get so riled up about trans women?

I really cant make sense of it or understand it at all.

keano_afc

LLMMLL wrote: »

Female is used outside of science all the time and is synonymous with woman.

Anti trans activists try to pretend that female.is some kind of protected scientific term that only scientists use and only refers to cis women. That's just not the case.

Well, yeah. You'd be surprised how many people argue otherwise.

LLMMLL wrote: »

Female is used outside of science all the time and is synonymous with woman.

Anti trans activists try to pretend that female.is some kind of protected scientific term that only scientists use and only refers to cis women. That's just not the case.

Yes it is synonymous with woman. You've just argued against your own World-view.

A trans-woman isn't a woman because they aren't female. I'm glad you finally understand.

Sir Oxman

LLMMLL wrote: »

What are you talking about? The anonymous twitter account it's not that website. That website has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

It wasn't clear.

Is Michael Biggs in the 'can of history' or can this study stand on it's own legs is the only question.
If not, does the original Dutch study stand up.

And yes, I know who he is.

Gruffalux

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I meant impracticable is a business sense. They may not have the room or funds to create them.

I suppose so. I knew what you meant and was agreeing basically. Funds can be made available. I think so anyway.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I've no idea what you are talking about. You quoted me. We are talking about trans-people who are human. I defined what a female was, a human female. Whether the word female is used in other contexts to, for example, distinguish between screw sockets is neither here nor there.

Female is used outside of science all the time and is synonymous with woman.

Anti trans activists try to pretend that female.is some kind of protected scientific term that only scientists use and only refers to cis women. That's just not the case.

Gruffalox wrote: »

I agree. They are not impracticable. We do not have to hew them out of the rock with our finger nails.

By the way for others to know it was a transwoman called Morgane Ager who got the Vancouver Womens Refuge shut down last year because it would not accommodate male bodied people. 1200 women were thus left without a service because one man who identifies as a woman decided. Fcuk that **** all to way to the hob of hell if that is the new feminism.

I meant impracticable is a business sense. They may not have the room or funds to create them.

Gruffalux

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

This why 3rd spaces are the best solution, although unfortunately not always practical.

I agree. They are not impracticable. We do not have to hew them out of the rock with our finger nails.

By the way for others to know it was a transwoman called Morgane Ager who got the Vancouver Womens Refuge shut down last year because it would not accommodate male bodied people. 1200 women were thus left without a service because one man who identifies as a woman decided. Fcuk that **** all to way to the hob of hell if that is the new feminism.