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Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

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If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

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1800_Ladladlad

BLM doing what they do best. Attack and damaging cars like this is pathetic. It adds nothing and takes away from those who are racially abused

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1277310245333725187

oyvey

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

BLM doing what they do best. Attack and damaging cars like this is pathetic. It adds nothing and takes away from those who are racially abused

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1277310245333725187

Some guy: What is all this about?
"Protester": (shouts in his face repeatedly) Black lives matter, bro!

Just shows how empty-headed some of these idiots are. They don't even know what they're trying to achieve.

ingalway

I'm waiting for an apology from Tom Cruise for Far and Away

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mouldybiscuits

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

I would gesticulate vaguely towards the number of news stories that've come out over the years but... well, it's clear some people just want to bury their heads in the sand over this.

Can't think of any reason they might want to do that, though...

Where is the evidence that these people were targeted because they were black? Correlation does not mean causation. These news stories come out all the time with white people too but it doesn't suit the media's agenda. Not too long ago an elderly white man (WW2 veteran) was beaten and burned alive by a young black man and it wasn't even major news. Make no mistake this is a political movement. The media are provoking chaos to get Trump out.

1800_Ladladlad

:D:D

https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1277277327639154688

Quantum Erasure

#GreenLeavesMatter

Quantum Erasure

saw this posted on the ukpolitics reddit, Gainsborough Primary School | Parents guide to Black Lives Matter

heres a link to the PDF handbook
https://www.gainsborough.hackney.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/06/Parents-guide-to-black-lives-matter.pdf

some quotes:

For some families, particularly white or non-black people of colour, discussions on race
and racial inequality may feel like fairly new territory. It can be easy to get used to not
thinking about racial identity if it doesn’t personally impact us negatively during
everyday life.

When we talk about white privilege with our
children, you’re not saying life isn’t sometimes
tricky or that hardship doesn’t exist in white
communities. Rather, when explaining white
privilege you’re saying that hardships or difficult
moments experienced in life are not a result of
your skin colour.
This can be explained in childfriendly
hypotheses such as ‘imagine if I had a
chocolate bar and I gave it to every white person
for free but made black people pay.’
...

Black history goes much more beyond slavery, and it’s important to learn about the rich
history of Africa before this era. In contrast to some of portrayals we see of Africa being an
impoverished, suffering continent with a dark past, Africa during the Moor Civilisation (until
1500s) was well-respected, with many conquests and contributions towards European
culture

Hannibal36

At the end of the day we have got to accept this for what it is.It is class warfare,the op on this thread has basically said every poor White person is a terrible human being end of story and it has a lot of likes,it tells us exactly where we are at.

Poor Whites have to accept middle class and rich Whites telling them you are poor because you aren't as good as us and you underachieved,but in the current system somebody has to occupy the poor White class no matter how hard everyone tries.

How many Middle class White women liked that original post i wonder,i bet you would change your tune when some Black guy decides you disrespected him and labels you a "Karen" and decides to go after your job.

Are all the middle class White women here happy to be a "Karen" or do you feel you are safe?you have enough diversity around you to never be a "Karen".I can only imagine the reaction if Black women were being hounded by White men,following them,recording them and Labelling them some Generic Black name.

Golf is my Game

Hannibal36 wrote: »

some Generic Black name.

Mammy?

Hannibal36

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Mammy?

Or maybe Shaniqua.

VicMackey1

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

BLM doing what they do best. Attack and damaging cars like this is pathetic. It adds nothing and takes away from those who are racially abused

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1277310245333725187

To be fair, that car is far too white!

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1277419543065837568

oyvey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1277419543065837568

Looks like a scene from The Purge.

1800_Ladladlad

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1277419543065837568

The funny thing about this is it's a private street with many signs stating and a gate that states no trespassing. but yet the double-digit IQ gang are having a meltdown screaming that its a side walk.

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https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1277435223412805638

1800_Ladladlad

"How dare they point guns at us while we trespass on their property" [outrage signal]

Carfacemandog

Interesting idea over rethinking policing in the US, from Illinois' attorney general - make police officers licenced like nurses, lawyers and doctors.

https://www.wbez.org/stories/illinois-top-legal-officer-wants-to-license-cops-just-like-doctors-hairdressers/9a8b6505-4283-4975-ad2f-8b653e96da73
“I think it’s the responsibility of the legislature to do what they’ve done for many other professions to have consequence for repeated misconduct or single acts of egregious misconduct,” Raoul said.

“If they have an egregious act of official misconduct or a pattern of such, they can have their license taken away such that they cannot participate in that profession anymore and that should be the same thing for a law enforcement officer who is capable of using deadly force in carrying out his or her duties.”

Carfacemandog

Carfacemandog wrote: »

In Dublin some monuments came down peacefully and by government planning, but not all of them. Just look at Nelson's Pillar or the William of Orange statue in College Green for examples.

In the US there is also a mixture of primarily confederate statues being taken down forcibly and removed by way of government planning, etc. Some other changes are also occurring, one example being that Mississippi is looking very likely to change its (confederate themed) state flag while some cities like New Orleans are renaming all confederate named streets.

Mississippi has now voted to change its confederate themed state flag. Another change brought about through official act of government as a result of these protests.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mississippi-state-flag-remove-confederate-battle-emblem/
The bill passed by a vote of 91-23 in the [Mississippi State] House and 37-14 in the Senate.

The bill now goes to the desk of Governor Tate Reeves, who on Saturday morning said he would sign the legislation into law, reversing resistance to a legislature-led change to the flag. Mississippians will vote on a replacement flag in the November election. According to the legislation, the current flag design cannot be an option.

kildare lad

Will black lives matter be protesting this killing of another black man ???

https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1277419635185537024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1277419635185537024%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.shadowspear.com%2Fvb%2Fthreads%2FE2809Cdisband-the-copsE2809D-thread.33044%2Fpage-8

Cupatae

kildare lad wrote: »

Will black lives matter be protesting this killing of another black man ???

https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1277419635185537024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1277419635185537024%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.shadowspear.com%2Fvb%2Fthreads%2FE2809Cdisband-the-copsE2809D-thread.33044%2Fpage-8

Jesus thats pretty grim... they ll prob call for the police to be defunded.

The levels of outrage will depend on the race of the victim.

1800_Ladladlad

These people are stupid.like what the **** do you expect to happen.

https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/1277446069132103680

Cupatae

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

These people are stupid.like what the **** do you expect to happen.

https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/1277446069132103680

The SJW surround the car in a threatening manner... why are they shocked when they get rolled over

these people are devoid of all logic, the sad thing is the media will spin this as a "sickening attack by police on innocent protesters" rather than the truth of getting out of a dangerous situation while giving the dopes a chance to get out of the way.

1800_Ladladlad

Steven Nelson Lopez, 23, is facing charges of murder and first-degree wanton endangerment, A BLM protester arrested for shooting and killing a journalist (Tyler Gerth, a 27-year-old, BLM Supporter) in Louisville.

Lopez, had been involved in multiple disturbances at the camp and had to be escorted away from Jefferson Square Park before the shooting took place..

https://eu.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/28/louisville-breonna-taylor-protest-shooting-suspect-identified/3274385001/

Tyler Gerth, was white.....

1800_Ladladlad

He may be a little entitled sh*T but this was a good thing done by his parents.

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1277234167370129408

1800_Ladladlad

This twat called for the st louis couple to be doxxed and ended up getting doxed himself

Also there are very disturbing tweets relating to pedophilia, stating 8y/0 is old enough to consent. I am not surprised at this tbh as an awful lot of these virtuous militants are mentally ill.

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Foxtrol

Bonniedog wrote: »

There's a lot more evidence that investing in policing and handing out real prison time is cost effective and a much more efficient means to protect NY citizens of all colours.

NY murders fell from 2245 in 1990 to 289 in 2018. They rose to 318 last year as city starts to return to its bat**** liberal anti NYPD policies that almost destroyed the place.

Education budget is $34 billion for year 2019/20.

Health and welfare budget is $33 billion.

You give the impression children have no school books!

Policing practices that were proven to be so racially biased that courts forced them to end?

Prison time that have been proven to give non-white offenders significantly more time for the same crime as a white offender?

As a general point on the ratio of spending, are you calling for Irish spending on police be doubled or education spending to be halved so we can align to the same level of spending as the NY rate you speak so highly of?

Foxtrol

ReggiePines wrote: »

No sane white person is even remotely offended by this, what is offensive however is the hypocritical double standard being perpetrated by these moronic BLM witch hunters.

Can you please point to the huge BLM drive for this?

I haven't seen many protests demanding this.

These changes to actors that many here appear to be clutching their pearls about are being seen as token gestures that have little to do with anything people are protesting about

Foxtrol

tjhook wrote: »

It's a very good question and it's good to challenge oneself on these things. For me the important factor is not the desire to keep or get rid of a statue, but rather how that end is achieved.

I'm not in favour of mobs taking it on themselves to decide which statues to topple. E.g. if I could gather a few hundred or even a few thousand anti-FF people willing to tear down statues of Eamon De Velera, does that give me a mandate to do it? The mob in Bristol would appear to think it does.

Where a person lobbies an authority and as a result a decision is taken by that authority to remove a statue, that's different. That's lawful and democratic, whether it applies to statues of war heroes/criminals, slave traders or anything else.

Somebody above (perhaps yourself?) made a very good point about Nazi statues after WW2. Thinking about it, I could add to that situations like Iraq where statues of Saddam Hussein were toppled. I'd view those slightly differently. Still mob action, but unusual situations in that the state had collapsed and there was no authority to appeal to. In the absence of a state/authority, all that remains is individuals making their own decisions.

In the case of Ireland after independence, I would guess most of the town renaming and statue removals were done with the permission/order of the new state. Not always, as in the case of Nelson's Pillar in Dublin. I'd consider that a reckless unlawful action by a mob. There was democracy and an authority to lobby rather than sneaking around using explosives in a city centre.

I agree with much of your points above but I'd argue that for many people who have taken that step to rip down the statues themselves feel that there is an absence of a just authority. In many southern states, they are gerrymandered to a ridiculous point where the will of the voters isn't being heard, which due to the US court appointment system means that the courts in turn are similarly biased against the will of the voters.

To go along your logic then opponents of statues being taken down shouldn't have an issue when the authority approves the measure, however we've seen many here complain about statues being legitimately taken down and in the US many people carrying out the removal for the government need to wear masks to avoid reprisals for doing their job.

Foxtrol

Hannibal36 wrote: »

The original post in this thread has thread has so many likes it is insane.
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"If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human"

Do so many people really believe it is ok to label so many White people on the other side as terrible human beings what sort of dialogue can happen when it is either my way or you are a terrible human being.

Do people realise that indigenous Irish people are placed behind all immigrants when it comes to social housing in this country this is actively happening here.This is an indisputable fact.Black kids can stab and almost murder Irish kids with actual proof on video then boast about it on social media and not spend a night in jail,out on bail.Does that White kid feel like his life matters now? He is white,it doesn't seem universally accepted that his life matters,there is no punishment meted out to his assailants simply because they are Black,if that was the other way around that White Irish kid wouldn't see the light of day for at least 5 years.

Poor is poor and they feel oppressed so just because some middle class White liberals have been browbeat into carrying some White guilt,you are never going to get a poor White person to carry that guilt absolutely never and it is insanity to label a mass of White people as terrible humans just because they won't get on the guilt train with you.It is never going to happen but White liberals have decided to shut down dialogue with every poor White person and call them terrible humans.

I see you're angry about that but imagine instead of almost murdering they actually did murder him. Imagine rather than being arrested and let out on bail, the offender and his accomplices had no action taken at all for days. Imagine the perpetrator wasn't a kid but a Garda. Imagine instead of this being an isolated incident there were examples similar incidents happening on hundreds of occasions. I'd expect you'd be a hell of a lot angrier

Foxtrol

oyvey wrote: »

Some guy: What is all this about?
"Protester": (shouts in his face repeatedly) Black lives matter, bro!

Just shows how empty-headed some of these idiots are. They don't even know what they're trying to achieve.

Like the Trump supporter shouting 'White power' at BLM protesters?

There are plenty of empty heads on all sides.

Mr. Karate

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

He may be a little entitled sh*T but this was a good thing done by his parents.

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1277234167370129408

Cut off his trustfund and cut him out of the will. Most of the White Antifa BLM'ers are just a bunch of rich kids pretending to be revolutionaries.