Gruffalox wrote: » You said it. The burden of proof is a fundamental linchpin in a civilised democracy. It protects us all from chaos and wrongful accusation. I have huge sympathy for raped people. It is a vile crime next only to murder. Rape, like all crime, has a burden of proof requirement and #ibelieveher or chants like that are misguided.
Smith152 wrote: » It is possible to believe that women are more at risk by not having women only spaces and yet at the same time acknowledge that not all men accused of rape are actually rapists. That's the problem with the world these days everyone has to put into a neat little bracket and nuance when discussing topic doesn't seem to be allowed anymore.
Gruffalox wrote: » Well Im glad you agree with me that the so called Dutch method of affirmation was backed by a study that was far too small to draw proper conclusions. Your point about transmen escapes me unfortunately. I see in the UK that Keira Bell is suing Tavistock for their hasty hormonal treatment of her. It is probably why the NHS is rather hastliy drawing up the bridges on treatment of children.
Smith152 wrote: » ohnonotgmail wrote: » Who is absolving him of blame. Most people have just pointed out that they agree with what he is saying. it is his families fault according to, check notes, you If that is indeed true (and I suspect it isn't) then it reflects very badly on his family rather than on Linehan himself.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Who is absolving him of blame. Most people have just pointed out that they agree with what he is saying.
If that is indeed true (and I suspect it isn't) then it reflects very badly on his family rather than on Linehan himself.
LLMMLL wrote: » Hard to take the research of someone running a secret Twitter account which makes nasty jokes about trans people seriously.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Smith152 wrote: » his behaviour reflects on him or do you think he should be absolved of all blame for his behaviour? Who is absolving him of blame. Most people have just pointed out that they agree with what he is saying.
Smith152 wrote: » his behaviour reflects on him or do you think he should be absolved of all blame for his behaviour?
seamus wrote: » Whatever your own personal issues with trans gender people, Linehan is definitely the wrong horse to back. Because of his actions, his wife has left him, his entire family have abandoned him, and his best friends and co-writers staged an elaborate intervention to try and pull him away from his obsessiveness.
Smith152 wrote: » seamus wrote: » Whatever your own personal issues with trans gender people, Linehan is definitely the wrong horse to back. Because of his actions, his wife has left him, his entire family have abandoned him, and his best friends and co-writers staged an elaborate intervention to try and pull him away from his obsessiveness. QUOTE] If that is indeed true (and I suspect it isn't) then it reflects very badly on his family rather than on Linehan himself. his behaviour reflects on him or do you think he should be absolved of all blame for his behaviour?
seamus wrote: » Whatever your own personal issues with trans gender people, Linehan is definitely the wrong horse to back. Because of his actions, his wife has left him, his entire family have abandoned him, and his best friends and co-writers staged an elaborate intervention to try and pull him away from his obsessiveness. QUOTE] If that is indeed true (and I suspect it isn't) then it reflects very badly on his family rather than on Linehan himself.
LLMMLL wrote: » I feel great about my frontal lobes Gruffakox thank you. Unfortunately, if the WHOLE point is that these studies are too small to draw.conclusions, then how can you also say that one of those.conclusions is the WHOLE other point. It's a 100% contradiction and frankly quite strange. But I'll indulge the contradiction for a moment. You must be pleased to see the positive effects of puberty blockers in teenage transmen.
Sir Oxman wrote: » I have zero issues with anyone personally, so kindly reign in your pointy finger. (It's difficult I know, it's so the in thing) Is this a game to you? Who backs who? I back their points if they are cogent and factual. My point (why I replied to keano's post) is the concentration of such immense power in a handful of mega companies. That never works out well. It's not dissimilar to the power of newspapers/media increasingly concentrated in the hands of very few monolithic companies/conglomerates. I don't tend to take much notice of hyperbolic accusations of 'hateful' and 'violent' when those two descriptors are routinely thrown about like confetti. I don't tend to buy gossip mags either that trade on an individual's *private circumstances. *Sources may not always be accurate - particularly when it passes through many filters.
Gruffalox wrote: » Oh dear. The WHOLE point is the small number in the Dutch study. Such a tiny number to base affirmation medicalisation on. And the WHOLE other point was that the natal females were worse off no matter what they did, pubertal blockers, cross sex hormones etc they still had all the issues they had before- just increased in severity. And the 96% is to show that the line given that pubertal blockers are a holding phase while the child figures out what they want is a mistruth since most go on...and suffer irregardless. How do you feel about your frontal lobes LLMMLL? Are you glad they had a chance to properly develop in puberty and that your IQ did not take a hit? I sure am glad mine had the chance to mature.
Ekerot wrote: » I think the problems started when people began putting their preferred pronouns in their Twitter bios
LLMMLL wrote: » Did you read it? There's no control group and a tiny number of participants. But given that 96% are going on to take cross sex hormones, it seems likely that the issue is not that they regret taking puberty blockers. It's that they felt the puberty blockers did not go far enough.
BarnardsLoop wrote: » God, the more I hear about this the more I'm glad that I only use Twitter to follow artists. Can't imagine what it must be like to come under the gaze of one man's insane crusade against people he (really, really) doesn't like. How do people even end up like that? What possesses someone to vomit that kind of bile into the public? I don't think I'll ever understand it. Nah, we are. It's the right that's drifted further to the right, as evinced by the extremely angry objections when you dare point out that neo-Nazis do, in fact, exist and maybe shouldn't be excused.
Gruffalox wrote: » Haha. And the actual study in the journal?
Gruffalox wrote: » https://twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1277232577313755136?s=19 Thought to share this which summarises research on the so called Dutch model. Outcomes are worse for girls post pubertal blockers. Note most going to GID clinics are now girls. 96% continue to cross sex hormones. Body issues and all problems continue. Dutch model was based on tiny numbers and scarcity of follow up studies anywhere. Considering that the cross sex hormones gives girls irreversible body and facial hair, male pattern baldness and deepened voices that do not revert, and that is without considering all the other side deeper effects like shriveled wombs and menopausal symptoms, I just do not know how affirmation ever could have possibly been considered sane.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Amazing isn't it. A Tale of two Tweets: " 'Trans' made me uncomfortable in the Ladies loo" = we believe her. It's outrageous. Men in the women's toilets with their penis' out in a locked cubicle. They're all the same. Just pretending to be women so they can assault real women. "I was raped" = false accusation. Not all men are rapists. Why is she posting this on social media??? Why didn't she go to the police. This could ruin an innocent man's life.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/twitter-closes-graham-linehan-account-after-trans-comment-1.4290547?mode=amp Isn't this just censorship rather than protecting anyone? That's what it looks like to me. It's perfectly fine for someone like Trump to spew his hatred on the platform every day of the week but when it comes to debate on social issues action is taken.
Bannasidhe wrote: » "I was raped" = false accusation. Not all men are rapists. Why is she posting this on social media??? Why didn't she go to the police. This could ruin an innocent man's life.
seamus wrote: » Remember "Fr. Ted - The Musical"? Yeah, Arthur Mathews and Neil Hannon agreed to do that with Linehan in the hopes that he might be able to focus his mind and get him back to normality. That's why we've heard nothing about it since it was "nearly finished" two years ago; because Linehan doubled-down on his crazy and alienated his friends.
Gatling wrote: » So are these just antidotal claims or can all this be varifed first I've heard about them. But then again I'm not a Twitter user
seamus wrote: » Linehan was at it for months, and was found out a large number of times. He has also been involved in doxxing plenty of individuals and has had restraining orders taken out against him for harassment. He'd been outed a number of times trying to chat up trans women on Twitter and other platforms, and getting abusive and degrading when he was shot down. Whatever your own personal issues with trans gender people, Linehan is definitely the wrong horse to back. Because of his actions, his wife has left him, his entire family have abandoned him, and his best friends and co-writers staged an elaborate intervention to try and pull him away from his obsessiveness.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » the venn diagram of posters who are defending Linehan and who are opposed to #metoo #ibelieveher is a perfect circle.
Sir Oxman wrote: » BiB Twitter apparently used that against GL as well. No evidence proferred. There's a big problem right now, if only people could recognise it.
Bannasidhe wrote: » You acted the dick and got abuse in return and now you are whinging. Ok.
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