Is it just me or have SF vanished?

markodaly wrote: »

This, so this.

SF/PIRA sued for peace so they can have a joint assembly with Unionists, but then when push comes to shove, sure Westminster rules the lot, right??
So then why did the IRA put their arms beyond use when the British Army are still there?
Oh, but they didn't surrender??
So what did they actually do then?

This is such nonsense.

Westminster controls ultimately...full stop.

There was also no surrender, The IRA did not decommission until agreement was reached, despite British and Unionist demands that they do. John Major quietly dropped the demand when he seen it was not going to happen and SF where allowed to the table...also a fact.

I never seen anyone claim that the IRA won, certainly didn't come from any regular posters that I have seen. A stalemate was reached and no side can claim victory.

So keep misrepresenting lads...it's all you seem to have.

joeguevara wrote: »

Just reading this now I think I missed it. You misunderstood what I said. I said I have never witness the level of caustic insults like I have recently, not that I have never witnessed. I think all abuse should stop with everybody as its pointless and is not befitting of anyone who is genuinely engaged and interested in political discussion.

Hold on a second.
You were asked this:

Where have SF published constant homophobic comments on a website or the 'Jewish' thing with Harris?

and you haven't backed it up.

False allegations are as much a form of abuse as name calling or caustic insults.

markodaly

blanch152 wrote: »

So speaks the forked tongue again.

If Sinn Fein are in power in the North, how do you explain the horrific way they treated those who lost their jobs because of Covid-19 with miniscule social welfare payments?..............oh wait, they are not in power in the North, because the UK are in control.............................So if the North administration is not in control of the North, why did the IRA surrender to the GFA?...................................the IRA did not surrender, they won.....................Then why don't we have a united Ireland?

And so it goes around and around. The forked tongue of republicanism, whereby no responsibility falls on Sinn Fein or the IRA, that it is always someone else's fault, that they lie and dissemble and contradict themselves, over and over again.

This, so this.

SF/PIRA sued for peace so they can have a joint assembly with Unionists, but then when push comes to shove, sure Westminster rules the lot, right??
So then why did the IRA put their arms beyond use when the British Army are still there?
Oh, but they didn't surrender??
So what did they actually do then?

christy c

maccored wrote: »

how does that article prove what you have said? It doesnt. I know more SF voters at my income level than SF voters on the dole. My hearsay trumps your hearsay (to me anyway)

Id agree, given that they got to twenty something per cent of the vote, I think the idea that it is just scroungers voting for them should be put to bed. Anecdotally, I know people reasonably well paid who voted for them because of housing issues which is understandable. Separately, do I think SF would solve our problems? Not in a month of Sundays.

Whether they can maintain or grow that vote remains to be seen, especially with the huge recession we are facing.

joeguevara

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where have SF published constant homophobic comments on a website or the 'Jewish' thing with Harris?

You are not the reader of my comments that you say you are. I have been called everything from a murderer, apologist for pedophilia to scum on here. And the female members of SF are constantly denigrated and demeaned on this very site.
I am not denying nasty things are said by those supporting SF either. All parties have their bombastic and ignorant.

Just reading this now I think I missed it. You misunderstood what I said. I said I have never witness the level of caustic insults like I have recently, not that I have never witnessed. I think all abuse should stop with everybody as its pointless and is not befitting of anyone who is genuinely engaged and interested in political discussion.

maccored

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/the-view-from-clondalkin-if-sinn-f%C3%A9in-don-t-get-in-there-will-be-marches-1.4180858

Its mainly the victim classes who vote for them.

how does that article prove what you have said? It doesnt. I know more SF voters at my income level than SF voters on the dole. My hearsay trumps your hearsay (to me anyway)

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/the-view-from-clondalkin-if-sinn-f%C3%A9in-don-t-get-in-there-will-be-marches-1.4180858

Its mainly the victim classes who vote for them.

It is a strange vote, and it balanced well for them in January.

Main components are:

Republicans who haven't woken up and realised SF is now partitionist

Nationalists who think SF is still suspicious of EU expansion

The social welfare protest vote - which they got out last time

The woke vote that used to go to Labour.

And the usual TD vote where they have good reps like Crowe, Stanley, O Caoláin, Ferris, Ellis. Most of rest are useless backed by jokes of councillors. Which is why they bombed in locals and will do again.

Can they hold that together for another go like January? Possibly. But one suspects last time was their best shot at it. A lot of the 24.5% won't vote SF again if they think they won't be in power.

landofthetree

maccored wrote: »

good to see you havent a clue about the SF base vote then

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/the-view-from-clondalkin-if-sinn-f%C3%A9in-don-t-get-in-there-will-be-marches-1.4180858

Its mainly the victim classes who vote for them.

maccored

landofthetree wrote: »

It will be a shock to all the wasters who vote for them.

They will be told to go on training courses like they currently are.

They already get free housing and healthcare so you cant say SF will give them that.

good to see you havent a clue about the SF base vote then

Mortelaro wrote: »

You watch British tv :eek:

I don't really watch much TV at all Morty British or otherwise, but I've 4 kids who do, and that dog always made me want to throw a lump hammer through the telly.

Mortelaro

McMurphy wrote: »

Anything that gets a dig, no matter of its authenticity, blanch is like the Churchill dog from the insurance commercial nodding along in agreement.

You watch British tv :eek:

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's any punch will do stuff from blanch again.

The 1930's Germany stuff ...didn't we hear all that before about water protests etc?

Anything that gets a dig, no matter of its authenticity, blanch is like the Churchill dog from the insurance commercial nodding along in agreement.

JOBSOXO

Your right, the bloody cheek of them using their franchise. Who the hell do they think they are ?.

McMurphy wrote: »

Poor old gill makes an arse biscuit post.

I ask old gill to clarify his post.

Blanch responds to my query to old gill asking me to take it up with Francie.

As an aside, did my eyes deceive me, or did I not see you post earlier in full acknowledgment that Sinn Fein didn't have anything to do with this organised protest planned for today?

Yet when he made the post, which clearly insinuates the shinners organised it, despite this being completely factually wrong, and you knowing it to be wrong, you "thank" his post?

Did someone say something about fork tongues a couple of minutes ago may I ask?

It's any punch will do stuff from blanch again.

The 1930's Germany stuff ...didn't we hear all that before about water protests etc?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I actually think it's a PBP event mainly.

But the Shinners something something.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/groups-to-protest-in-dublin-against-government-involving-two-main-parties-986375.html

The only reference I ever seen about this was on twitter linked to RBB/PBP.

Either old gill is completely clueless and just posting stuff plucked from his nether regions, or old gill was deliberately trying to pull the wool over the other uninformed posters eyes.

Flip a coin.

landofthetree

Bonniedog wrote: »

As someone said: "The first election the shinners win will be the last election."

It will be a shock to all the wasters who vote for them.

They will be told to go on training courses like they currently are.

They already get free housing and healthcare so you cant say SF will give them that.

Finty Lemon

SFPBP all the one now anyway.
The Spare Change Alliance

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie seems to be the most knowledgable about the protest, you could ask him.

Poor old gill makes an arse biscuit post.

I ask old gill to clarify his post.

Blanch responds to my query to old gill asking me to take it up with Francie.

As an aside, did my eyes deceive me, or did I not see you post earlier in full acknowledgment that Sinn Fein didn't have anything to do with this organised protest planned for today?

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie, the point you are clearly missing, is that what you are calling for (and to be fair, I don't see Sinn Fein calling for it) is street protests against a recent democratic outcome to a recent democratic electoral process.

Yet when he made the post, which clearly insinuates the shinners organised it, despite this being completely factually wrong, and you knowing it to be wrong, you "thank" his post?

Did someone say something about fork tongues a couple of minutes ago may I ask?

McMurphy wrote: »

Who is organising this protest btw?

I actually think it's a PBP event mainly.

But the Shinners something something.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/groups-to-protest-in-dublin-against-government-involving-two-main-parties-986375.html

Fair enough, I will give you that one regarding the Beard. Your calling for him to go that is, not the shameful way they handled it.

And BTW, I would not make excuses for any cover up of any sexual abuse, be it from political party, church, sporting organisation or whatever.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Who is organising this protest btw?

Francie seems to be the most knowledgable about the protest, you could ask him.

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

A party who got 24% of the vote organising a protest against democracy is a bit sinister, no?

Who is organising this protest btw?

blanch152 wrote: »

Protests and demonstrations against unpopular actions of a government are a normal part of democracy.

Protests and demonstrations against the democratic formation of a democratic government are a sinister development reminiscent of early 1930s Germany.

Twisting the argument made by others in a post is a function of Sinn Fein supporters.

The formation of this government is an 'unpopular action'. How do we know this? Because there will be demonstrations about it.

No twisting going on. Trying to compare this to the actions of fascists is the 'twisting'. You did it before about other protests.
You don't like anyone to contest the actions of FG...we get it.

Bonniedog wrote: »

They protected him for years as they did other rapists.

I have already agreed here that what happened with L. Adams was wrong. They made a huge huge mistake.

I am even on record here as saying I thought G. Adams should have resigned over it. He didn't.
He apologised and accepted his mistakes and his party accepted that.

In contrast, when one of his party was criticised for his handling of an abuse case, in a high profile campaign (which he could not have missed) Michael Martin went to ground and as far as I know has yet to address the family making the claims. Yet he took to the steps of the Dáil to make political capital out of another alleged victim of abuse.

Whose tongue is more forked just looking at those two cases?

As someone said: "The first election the shinners win will be the last election."

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here's the mantra starting. 'Protest is sinister etc etc'.

We heard it all out of you before blanch...you have a thing about comparing opposition politics here to 1930's Germany, why is that? Is it a guilt thing? Will it finally put the dark past of FG to bed if another party starts to mimic the fascists?
Protests and demonstration are a normal part of democracy. So normal we are used to them.

Protests and demonstrations against unpopular actions of a government are a normal part of democracy.

Protests and demonstrations against the democratic formation of a democratic government are a sinister development reminiscent of early 1930s Germany.

Twisting the argument made by others in a post is a function of Sinn Fein supporters.

Poor_old_gill

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here's the mantra starting. 'Protest is sinister etc etc'.

We heard it all out of you before blanch...you have a thing about comparing opposition politics here to 1930's Germany, why is that? Is it a guilt thing? Will it finally put the dark past of FG to bed if another party starts to mimic the fascists?
Protests and demonstration are a normal part of democracy. So normal we are used to them.

A party who got 24% of the vote organising a protest against democracy is a bit sinister, no?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's the thing Mort...they work with SF every day of the week throughout the country at local and county level.

When it comes to letting go of the power share/power swap, it's suddenly different. When it comes to the north SF are good enough and indeed are implored and embarrassed to go into power. Yet, FG/FF will talk the talk of inclusiveness and equality and democracy in the GFA.

The forked tongue of the ultimately un-democratic. They have been pressured into the corner of merging now in this government. Take the fan glasses off, it isn't hard to see what is happening.

County council admin is not sovereign government
I repeat perhaps your party should show some humility rather than arrogance and try figure out why others in large number prefer not to form a sovereign government with them
Change needed there
If you need any more help figuring it out I'm sure an assorted selection of Blanch's posts here will assist

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Liam Adams died in jail for his crimes.

.

They protected him for years as they did other rapists.

RUC knew about this. Do you seriously think they didn't exploit the fact that the capo di tutti capo's brother was a child rapist?

They turned Roy the Rat over his degenerate betting. Donaldson over some sexual thing, apparently, and Scap who sent innocent IRA volunteers to be tortured and murdered was caught with animal porn.

Not exactly James Connolly were they?