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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

RyanthePirate

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am not sure one can ' protect ' (not sure i would choose that word) a country from immigration.

Its something that happens whether you like it or not.

You can't really stop it.

‘Protect’ is the verb you used in your previous post. I was mirroring your own language or have you conveniently forgotten that?

You’ve heard of borders, immigration control, and skills-based migration presumably? Immigration is something that can be regulated relatively easily, as many of our trading partners in East Asia have discovered and continue to pursue. It just doesn’t fit the narrative that uncontrolled immigration is an inevitable consequence of modernity.

ILoveYourVibes

TomTomTim wrote: »

Do you live in the capital? Dublin isn't very high trust, I'll grant you that. Down the country, especially in actual rural areas, Ireland would be pretty high trust.

I do yes. Born and bred!

I take your point.

But then you might take on board that Dublin isn't high trust. So we might not have the same perception of our country. But we have to take on board yours too.

I think a certain sobriety on trust is part of being a Dubliner tbh.

TomTomTim

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am not sure I would agree with you on the trust thing. But i am not sure diversity would solve that either.

Do you live in the capital? Dublin isn't very high trust, I'll grant you that. Down the country, especially in actual rural areas, Ireland would be pretty high trust.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am not sure I would agree with you on the trust thing. But i am not sure diversity would solve that either.

I suppose you are entitled to you opinion.

Read Robert Putnam’s research on the impact of diversity on social cohesiveness. Ireland has avoided most of these issues to date. It’s perfectly logical to wish to maintain that.

Indeed. I am entitled to my opinion. Really looking forward to engaging with informed, rational posters again..

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Which was?

Now, that's rude. One Page and you couldn't be bothered to scroll back.

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Ireland is 88% white Irish.

Deleted User wrote:

You keep saying that as if it's a bad thing.

What is the perfect percentage for you?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

now, perhaps answer my question?

Which was?

[Deleted User]

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod: The silly epithets add nothing to the discussion. Drop it.

Everyone else - post on the actual topic at hand or don't contribute.

My apologies. I thought I was being vaguely witty. In retrospect, it was facetious and dumb phraseology.

ILoveYourVibes

Hamachi wrote: »

Because Ireland is fine as is. It’s a relatively cohesive, high trust society that works reasonably well.

Because I want my infant daughter to grow up in this pretty pleasant, easy going society, free of tensions prevalent in some of our more diverse neighboring societies. So yes, for me, Ireland in it’s current incarnation is something that I love and wish to protect.

I am not sure I would agree with you on the trust thing. But i am not sure diversity would solve that either.

I suppose you are entitled to your opinion.

I don't see Ireland as you do. But we all have different perceptions.

I am not sure one can ' protect ' (not sure i would choose that word) a country from immigration.

Its something that happens whether you like it or not.

You can't really stop it.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Why is something you want to protect?

Cultural rigidity is the problem
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113867263

You may read my post about it at the above link. If you don't wish to read it then do not.

Because Ireland is fine as is. It’s a relatively cohesive, high trust society that works reasonably well.

Because I want my infant daughter to grow up in this pretty pleasant, easy going society, free of tensions prevalent in some of our more diverse neighboring societies. So yes, for me, Ireland in it’s current incarnation is something that I love and wish to protect.

Tokyo

Hamachi wrote: »

We already have far more than a dash of spice, yams, pierogi or wherever it is you are having..

Sardonicat wrote: »

Is 'spud' alright?

Mod: The silly epithets add nothing to the discussion. Drop it.

Everyone else - post on the actual topic at hand or don't contribute.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I haven't passed comment as to whether it's a bad or good thing.

I have simply stated the facts.

Do you think being a white country is a good thing?

A good thing? I don't think of Ethiopia as a "Black country". I think of it as a country. Just as I think of Ireland as a country. That the majority of the population are of a certain color doesn't bother me. After all, I currently live in China. I've lived in a variety of countries where I was a distinct minority... and it didn't bother me in the slightest.

now, perhaps answer my question?

ILoveYourVibes

Hamachi wrote: »

The point is that there is already 16% representation in Ireland. Pretty substantive, right?

That is not for me to say.

ILoveYourVibes

Hamachi wrote: »

Why is this a problem?

Why is something you want to protect?

Cultural rigidity is the problem
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113867263

You may read my post about it at the above link. If you don't wish to read it then do not.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You would you mind not calling people yams and pierogi. Same goes for referring to people as 'spice'.

It’s a metaphor for cultural diversity. The point is that there is already 16% representation in Ireland. Pretty substantive, right?

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

Is 'spud' alright?

For a british person to call me it ..no I would not be happy

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You would you mind not calling people yams and pierogi. Same goes for referring to people as 'spice'.

Is 'spud' alright?

ILoveYourVibes

Hamachi wrote: »

No, she isn’t correct. White Irish are only 84% of the population. We already have far more than a dash of spice, yams, pierogi or wherever it is you are having..

You would you mind not calling people yams and pierogi. Same goes for referring to people as 'spice'.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Ireland is very very white.

Why is this a problem?

Tokyo

Mod: It would be nice if we could ground the conversation somewhere in the realm of discussion, rather than in histrionics, straw man arguments and personal comments.

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And if people were encouraged to give up their irish identity during those times...i would speak up against that. depsite being told to 'go home'

I would certainly have the 'balls to'.

My point is, my Irish identity is denied on occasion by ignorant Irish people, despite my name, my freckly face, my (ana) cúpla focal, the anti- Irish abuse my family suffered, just because I don't sound the way they think an Irish person should. I'd imagine your Irishness has been similarly denied because of your ethnic/religious background . I've seen people referred to as not really Irish cos they don't drink! It's got nothing to do with not being white. It's about morons who can't cope with 'Irish' meaning different things to what they think. They are a dying breed.

ILoveYourVibes

joe40 wrote: »

Try being a Niamh or an Orlaith in London.

I have been to london you know ...i DO know.

Yes ..its just as wrong.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I was including travellers.

Who are < 1% of the population. You are incorrect.

joe40

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Oh no. Please believe me.

I swear to you. I know the most sweet down to earth guy. Very kind to everyone no matter who they are.

His name was omar. He was born here though. Irish accent. Very friendly . He has been my friend since i was a child.

You could not meet a sweeter guy. And you can tell it too. He is always smiling. But it was a couple of years ago.

He got attacked a couple of times. And he was told his career might have more of a chance by an agency if he changed his name as Omar is so perceived as being connected to Islam.

He himself is an atheist. Any expression of his background is not welcomed.

And yes it was a problem for him. I witnessed it.

I still occasionally forget to call him the new name! There are a whole bunch of new friends that ONLY know him with that name.

His gf is indian but not born here. She is catholic so the religion thing ..isn't an issue. But the name thing is. People can be REALLY rude about it. Her name is SHINY.

It can range from 'Really THAT is your name?' To 'That is a DUMB name!' To ' I am not calling you that i can't pronounce it'.

I've heard it.

Its not just Irish people here though either. It's often maybe poles russians others too.
Or other asians.

I am just being honest for balance.

Try being a Niamh or an Orlaith in London.

ILoveYourVibes

Hamachi wrote: »

No, she isn’t correct. White Irish are only 84% of the population. We already have far more than a dash of spice, yams, pierogi or wherever it is you are having..

I was including travellers.

I am not sure referring to people as pierogi or yams is ...polite.

[Deleted User]

Eric Cartman wrote: »

white Irish , we have a lot of white eastern europeans here, but when the poster said white Irish he was correct.

No, she isn’t correct. White Irish are only 84% of the population. We already have far more than a dash of spice, yams, pierogi or wherever it is you are having..

Mod: Dealt with later in thread. Please stop reporting it.

ILoveYourVibes

Eric Cartman wrote: »

white Irish , we have a lot of white eastern europeans here, but when the poster said white Irish he was correct.

Yes ...I was not including white polish or others etc in the white Irish figures.

Ireland is very very white.

Eric Cartman

Hamachi wrote: »

Wrong again. The ROI is 94% white; NI is 97% white. Why are you confidently asserting ‘facts’ when you clearly don’t understand the ethnic composition of this country?

white Irish , we have a lot of white eastern europeans here, but when the poster said white Irish he was correct.

Wompa1

Bobtheman wrote: »

The EU made a mistake in not allowing the UK to put a brake on immigration from time to time. This should be a policy with us.
As for refugees- I never agreed with the UN convention as in modern times you have refugees from a continent away landing here.

How did the EU prevent the UK from putting a brake on immigration?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

You keep saying that as if it's a bad thing.

What is the perfect percentage for you?

I haven't passed comment as to whether it's a bad or good thing.

I have simply stated the facts.

Do you think being a white country is a good thing?

Bobtheman

RyanthePirate wrote: »

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

This is simplistic. We don't run a country strictly by economists. Yes at times it seems we do.
A certain amount of controlled immigration spread throughout the country. This is sensible policy.
What we tend to get is concentration of immigration in the poorer parts of our nation.
I don't think multi culturalism is a good idea . People must integrate and avoid enclaves.
However I think the evidence is that we haven't bought the pup to the extent they did in the UK

The EU made a mistake in not allowing the UK to put a brake on immigration from time to time. This should be a policy with us.
As for refugees- I never agreed with the UN convention as in modern times you have refugees from a continent away landing here.
Yes take a certain number and leave it there.
Btw I teach a lot of foreign kids. They are by and large much better than Irish students . They want to learn. Not against immigration just we need a proper debate.