Edgware wrote: » You let yourself down all the time. Facts are what matter not what you and Francie make up.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Hold up.....unionists went on a killing spree after ceasefires Likes of greysteel/leighlinisland virtually all lvf killings only occured as they known the ira wouldnt push back
Bonniedog wrote: » Same to Francie who knows as much about what happened as Monaghan do about winning All Irelands.
bonniedog wrote: The "unionist veto" is the right to consent to change constitutional status of NI. It's still there.
Bonniedog wrote: » As I said before, if the Provies couldnt beat the Brits then three men and a dog from Finglas or Ballymurphy are not going to beat the Brits. Armed struggle was defeated and a secret conspiracy will always be open to being taken over as the last one was. Just an awful waste of life for nothing. Unless you think that coalition with the DUP and Mary Lou becoming Tánaiste or something was worth all the senseless waste of life. Had the ceasefires been followed by republican politics, to convince northern unionists of the benefits of unity for everyone, instead of waiting to have more babies than them - unlikely now that shinners are in support of abortion on demand - things might have been different.
Bonniedog wrote: » Shinners were run by the Brits when the important negotiations were going on. Scap made sure that the boys toed the line. Donaldson and others told them everything they needed to know about internal dealings. One of those who left claimed he was at crucial meeting before an Army Convention where he reckoned in hindsight that he was probably the only one not working for Brits or Special Branch in the room! Must rank as one of MI5's most successful operations. Ended centuries of Irish resistance by catching a few of the main boys with kiddie porn, riding the family and stealing money to gamble. You can say whatever you like about Mallon - and wouldnt have been great admirer back in the day - but he wasn't a criminal degenerate like those he despised.
Edgware wrote: » If Mallon is not detested by S.F. why did the S.F. members of Drogheda Council vote against giving him the fairly insignificant honour of Freeman of Drogheda? It wasnt the Nobel Prize. Orders from H.Q. probably told them to vote against.
Throughout the Troubles Mallon was subjected to as much abuse and threats from the Provo supporters as he was from the Loyalist side. He highlighted the activities of the British backed murder gangs
as well as the Provo murder gangs and made it his business to attend the funeral of every person murdered in his constituency regardless of the victims background. He saw the absolute futility of political violence as a means of unifying a country
FrancieBrady wrote: » Should your questions not be directed at the British here? Personally I could care less if the IRA where being run from Westminster itself. I care that they are gone and that the GFA has been achieved for the people of this island. Mallon is not detested by SF or anybody IMO. He was of service but he had feet of clay in comparison to Hume. I think some may have felt sorry for him when he bitterly made his final pleas for recognition. Were it not for Hume we would be talking about the memory of the SDLP as a political party. The people knew who delivered and they voted accordingly, some still find that very hard to get over. But there you have it.
Edgware wrote: » Stop deflecting. How many of SF/IRA were on the British payroll. How many innocents were plugged by the Nutting squad to cover up the informer network at the top of S.F. I.R.A. Mallon is detested by SF because he stood up to them throughout years of murder and mayhem. Cowards hate that.
FrancieBrady wrote: » How would you know anything when you are buying into a version of the history written by the SDLP? Hume and Mallon are not of the same stature. You demean Hume's vision and bravery by lumping Mallon in with him.
Edgware wrote: » Ha ha. Thats a laugh. We all know who was compromised by M15. Scapaticci, Donaldson and the other higher echelons of SF in Belfast who were on the payroll of the British.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Mallon, along with Eddie O'Grady forced Hume to do a solo run in talks with SF. Stop the revisionism...know the history. Mallon was bitter about his own mistake and tried to blame everything and everyone else. Hume was the visionary and should get the credit. The rest of the SDLP tried to protect and promote the party above real peacemaking. The electorate didn't miss it and showed what they thought of the SDLP.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Always struck me,senior members of sdlp were compromised by mi5 and for this reason hume kept.them out of the loop in the intial peace talks
Edgware wrote: » Hume and Mallon were the true Republicans unlike the Provos who want to ape the Unionist/Loyalist block who believed that 50% +1% is justification to claim a majority and discriminate against the 49%.
Bonniedog wrote: » When a party has a record of inviting people to meet them in barns in north Mon and beating them to death with iron bars and cudgels with nails, the bar is not being set very high. Add that to the large number of rapists, child abusers, informers, and so on and you can see the yawning gap between them and nice guys like Ó Broin whose life is devoted to helping the homeless and helping old ladies cross the road to bingo.
FrancieBrady wrote: » A wee political lesson for you here Mort...when wanting to have a go at a party, taking the word of a competitor politician is invariably shaky. You should ask yourself first, is somebody having a cheap shot? Which makes more practical sense, that the decision to propose Holohan was handed down from the party elders or simple taking the eye off the ball? Is SF deliberately hurting itself for some nefarious end or was a mistake made? Because IMO it was a mistake and those behind it are to be criticised.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Don't like to see John Humes name dragged through the mud here, lads. The finest Republican since Collins.
Mortelaro wrote: » Ha! It's a wonder you dont apply that kind of analysis to other parties,I don't think But yes it seems that's how it works
FrancieBrady wrote: » Did Colum offer an opinion on why a party would deliberately embroil themselves in bad publicity? Like this proposal/nomination came across one of the white bearded old men in the Antrim hill's desk and he thought to himself...'what a brilliant idea to make the party look good, this will really advance our plot to take over the state...approved'. That how it works?
Bonniedog wrote: » Another new Sinn Féin south Dublin councillor Dermot Richardson was given suspended sentence last October for an assault on his former wife's partner. Headbutted him and knocked two of his teeth out. Some set up down there it would seem! Strange mixture of people who should be in Greens or some other touchy feely party, and basically a gang of thugs.
Mortelaro wrote: » https://twitter.com/columeastwood/status/1276801701316460544?s=19
Bonniedog wrote: » Are you an SF supporter? Has their degeneracy gotten so bad that people like you vote for them? To think that people like Bobby Sands died for this. A shame.
Bowie wrote: » You're cool with O'Leary though, who openly admires the Blueshirts?
