Tony EH wrote: » There are lots of people that aren't "represented" in the cartoon. There are no old people for example. As for "imagining", IMO there are too many people imagining things, instead of just getting on with it. You don't need to see yourself represented in every image you view. Look, I'll hazard a guess at to what's happened here, because I've seen things like this before. This is, more than likely, a quick image rattled off by a 20 something female designer who, more often than not, doesn't include men or old folk in her design considerations and doesn't get enough of a deadline to give a crap.
olestoepoke wrote: » I thought the poster is for returning to childcare and thus aimed at people with young kids so kind of makes sense there are no old people in it.
Wibbs wrote: » This old chestnut. Again. A) the US is a former colony that was born and bred on immigration. It quite simply couldn't have existed without it. 2) Even so note today now they have enough people how much harder it is to get into the place and they don't like illegals too much and that attitude is hardening in some quarters. 3) The Irish in America had their fair share of negatives as well as positives attached(like many other groups). 4) America is and certainly was a "White" European nation and culture and the Irish being of that hue found it much easier to assimilate over the generations when compared to Blacks and Hispanics, even Italians to some degree(Asians tended to do their own thing, without generating much in the way of attention for the most part). 5) America is hardly a good example to hold up of social issues along ethnic and race lines. 6) When the Irish and others arrived in America there were no "free lunches" and the only social welfare was charity. Comparing an Irish immigrant to the US in the 1840's and a Nigerian illegal immigrant to Ireland in 2000 who is living in a taxpayer council house today. Well there is little comparison.
Wibbs wrote: » This old chestnut. Again. A) the US is a former colony that was born and bred on immigration. It quite simply couldn't have existed without it. 2) Even so note today now they have enough people how much harder it is to get into the place and they don't like illegals too much and that attitude is hardening in some quarters. 3) The Irish in America had their fair share of negatives as well as positives attached(like many other groups). 4) America is and certainly was a "White" European nation and culture and the Irish being of that hue found it much easier to assimilate over the generations when compared to Blacks and Hispanics, even Italians to some degree(Asians tended to do their own thing, without generating much in the way of attention for the most part). 5) America is hardly a good example to hold up of social issues along ethnic and race lines. 6) When the Irish and others arrived in America there were no "free lunches" and the only social welfare was charity. Comparing an Irish immigrant to the US in the 1840's and a Nigerian illegal immigrant to Ireland in 2000 who is living in a taxpayer council house today. Well there is little comparison. As Tony notes it's likely much "more to do with trying to head off the mouthy types at the pass" and the types you reference are more likely to take umbrage and complain than pretty much anyone and the government and government bodies are sensitive to that. Too bloody sensitive in my humble. Then again we have had an African woman living here attached to some NGO or other(it's hard to keep track of them) lecturing the UN and by extension the Irish on "our" culture of multiculturalism so there's that. It's beyond farcical in a lot of ways.
Kaybaykwah wrote: » everybody brings something to the table, not just knives and bad behavior.
stinkypinky wrote: » How would you feel if this was happening in Irish cities?https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50339977 When three explosions took place in one night across different parts of Stockholm last month, it came as a shock to residents. There had been blasts in other city suburbs, but never on their doorstep. Swedish police are dealing with unprecedented levels of attacks, targeting city centre locations too. The bomb squad was called to deal with 97 explosions in the first nine months of this year. "I grew up here and you feel like that environment gets violated," says Joel, 22. The front door of his apartment block in the central Stockholm neighbourhood of Sodermalm was blown out and windows were shattered along the street. "It's very new in Sweden, and we are looking for knowledge around the world," says Mats Lovning, head of the National Operations Department. For criminologist Amir Rostami, who has researched the use of hand grenades in Sweden, the only relevant comparison is Mexico, plagued by gang violence. "This is unique in countries that pretty much don't have a war or don't have a long history of terrorism," he says.
Kaybaykwah wrote: » Besides, Ireland needed badly to improve on its narrative of the poor bloke category. The Celtic Tiger brought a sense of renewal, of a resourceful nation that chose to grow by getting new input, without bleeding generations of educated to profit other countries.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » The Celtic tiger was down to multinationals setting up base here. The tax windfall. Ireland was the poor man of Europe before that and will return to that role of they ever left. We have no industry here nor do we have a substantial amount of natural resources. Generation emigration is never too far away
Slowyourrole wrote: » I figured you wouldn't give a direct answer to the question. You claimed small numbers fit in but large numbers didn't. This is completely discounted by our own ancestors. They went to the States in big numbers with their own culture and integrated into US society in a way which appears to have benefited both. So much so that they celebrate our national holiday in a big way every year.
Kaybaykwah wrote: » You also have the same kind of gun, bombing violence in Irish suburbs, among whites, not to mention that little spat up North that is a white as snow, series of events. Sweden also has had extreme violence from biker gangs for years, all native ****. In Canada, especially where I live, gangs like the Rizutto Mafia Clan, The Hells Angels, the West End Gang (Irish) are the more powerful organized crime groups, all overwhelmingly white. There are bound to be ****kickers from other ethnicities. France has experienced violence in the rough suburbs, but also a lot of clashing between the police forces and the gilets jaunes, all predominantly white.
Slowyourrole wrote: » I figured you wouldn't give a direct answer to the question.
You claimed small numbers fit in but large numbers didn't.
This is completely discounted by our own ancestors. They went to the States in big numbers with their own culture and integrated into US society in a way which appears to have benefited both. So much so that they celebrate our national holiday in a big way every year.
Kaybaykwah wrote: » The United States were not populated by White Europeans from the start.
The Blacks who were enslaved experienced their own brand of council housing, and many of them still do.
There are people like you who will never want to admit change, but still look at the lore of Irish people having had a hard time of it, surmounting the odds, fitting in naturally when it is convenient to their narrative.
We are all human, and everybody brings something to the table, not just knives and bad behavior.
stinkypinky wrote: » It's a bit disingenuous to allude to existing crime - of course crime exists already in pretty much every country in the world,it would nonsensical to say it doesn't. The question is why voluntarily add to it, we have enough problems already. Ignoring crime, cultural and societal issues are a big problem too.
Wibbs wrote: » And that's a lovely sentiment, but that's all it is; sentiment. The facts are some cultures fit in more than others and some - and sadly yes it is often even mostly down to racism - don't. Put it another way: Go anywhere in the western world and who of these groups are more likely to be college educated professionals: Asians, Europeans, Africans? In the US Asian Americans are on average more educated and earn more than White Americans and America is hardly colour blind and proactively Asian positive. It's not even down to "race". Take the UK. Those of Pakistani Muslim heritage are less likely to be in the middle and the top than Indian Hindus. Swedish Americans were more successful on average than Irish or Italian Americans. Same "race". It's not religion either. Other Muslim groups in new countries can to be more successful on average.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » It saved Ireland culturally and economically.
Kaybaykwah wrote: » The Celtic Tiger brought a sense of renewal, of a resourceful nation that chose to grow by getting new input, without bleeding generations of educated to profit other countries.
Kaybaykwah wrote: » You are hammering the same tired old beat-up rusty nail.
It hasn't occured to you that when the Irish came to Canada or the US, sent to Australia, their pedigree of Papist ****kickers was a very strong point of denial by the nativists, know-nothings, and jingoists at the very same time First Nations were being pounced on for more land.
Religion has a lot to do with it, skin color has too, in fact, just about anything that distinguishes us from each other is fair game. We all have our little zones of comfort and it is all part of living in a more or less cosmopolitan world. It is also more dynamic and int.eresting to be exposed to various cultures.I am a mix of Irish and French Canadian, and in Quebec, it is estimated at least one third of people are of Irish descent. It is in the music, the way we humor one another and plenty of other things that drives our lifestyle. I welcome new influences, and don't have a wholesale view of a group of people solely on their differences.
I think that if it starts with a new cafe in Ballsbridge or even Crumlin, it is worth it
The Zionist wrote: » In Sweden most rapes are now committed by migrants. In England muslims are allowed rape white girls with impunity. I don't need this kind of diversity, thanks.
Wibbs wrote: » Pot, may I introduce you to kettle. But at least I'm making points beyond "ah sure it's great isn't it". You're just wilfully ignoring any points that don't fit your narrative. I'm open for changing my mind, clearly you're not. And why in god's name would any nation not dealing with that kind of nonsense want to import it? You in Canada, and other ex European colonies have no choice. It's what your nations are built upon. We have that choice. And yet you avoid my point and question:The facts are some cultures fit in more than others and some - and sadly yes it is often even mostly down to racism - don't. Put it another way: Go anywhere in the western world and who of these groups are more likely to be college educated professionals: Asians, Europeans, Africans? Can you answer that one please? And yep, there's both barrels of the multicultural gun fired; restaurants and vague references to "influences".
Clarence Boddiker wrote: » Please explain how it saved Ireland culturally?
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Cultural rigidity occurs in highly homogeneous places. It results in suppression of the alternative. Now you might ask...why does our culture need to contain everything? Well it doesn't ..but the less and less it contains ...the more primitive it will become. Island culture. The more narrowly defined things will be. The less nuance there is. And this will be reflected in everything from novels to films to songs to the way people talk.
biko wrote: » The Icelanders must feel left out not having hordes of newcomers chasing through the streets burning cars and beating the natives up.
The Zionist wrote: » Open borders for Israel please.
The Zionist wrote: » Btw, when is Israel opening it's borders?
The Zionist wrote: » Because you're Jewish.
The Zionist wrote: » Such condensending BS in that above post. So Ireland was producing nothing of value until we started importing the third world? Btw, when is Israel opening it's borders?
