Brendan Bendar wrote: » Big ‘Dublin Fire Brigade Heads’ on them.
FrancieBrady wrote: » How is a FF/FG government a bad thing going forward for any ideologically opposed party? For a party that has no problem playing the long game it is manna from heaven. I can understand how it might not be for the chameleon parties that can bend and shape themselves to fit into whatever shape the power swap parties come up with...C&S, Coalition etc. They will have to stand on their own policy and support and the Greens and Labour won't be starting from a good place. I think the interesting thing and it should be a warning to the Greens and anyone thinking of shoring up this incoming disaster is that the poll numbers aren't shifting vis a vis SF support.
smurgen wrote: » Could always be worse. Could be celebrating with a couple of sticks of Heinomite or maybe some creamers and be totes vintage! They'll be legendary horseplay if Lieo gets the PFG over the line! Legend.https://twitter.com/DailandSeanadXV/status/909350661829033984?s=19
landofthetree wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/average-full-time-salary-in-republic-now-nearly-49-000-says-cso-1.4289348?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Faverage-full-time-salary-in-republic-now-nearly-49-000-says-cso-1.4289348 Average full-time salary in Republic now nearly €49,000, says CSO
blanch152 wrote: » Sinn Fein don't have an ideology. I think this government will be good for the likes of Labour and the Social Democrats. As we have seen from her behaviour over the last day or so, the likes of Brid Smith and the PBP will remain a fringe irrelevance. Ditto some of the other independents and smaller parties. As for Sinn Fein, who knows what position they will take at the next election? We could well see the likes of Francie, maccored and Bowie in here by then arguing for more carbon taxes. Their ideology is Brits Out and protect the criminals.
RandomViewer wrote: » Average not Mean, over a million workers on less than 25 k a year, using spurious figures helps no one
blanch152 wrote: » Problem with both average and median is that the figures can be artificially depressed by the number of workers who choose to work less than full-time and earn less because of that, not because of being paid at a lesser rate. However, the CSO account for that.https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/elca/earningsandlabourcostsannualdata2019/ "Average annual earnings for full-time employees in 2019 were €48,946 (up 2.8% on 2018)" The claim that the average earnings are €49,000 is therefore correct. OF note is that the CSO measure that for employees. So high-earning company directors and the higher earning self-employed are excluded, implying that the amount is probably much higher. On the other hand, the CSO exclude those on social welfare. I cannot find any reliable source that says that median income is 25k, so I have to think you are making that up unless you can produce a source.
How is a FF/FG government a bad thing going forward for any ideologically opposed party?
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Once ‘their own’ don’t have to pay them Taxes are for those who get up early.
RandomViewer wrote: » I live near people who would have been activists in the day,they are up and going when I'm going to work at half six in the morning, Former FG TD up here was famous for getting council houses, no one would even think of going near SF TD for the same, Noonan and Wee Willy top the poll in Limerick ,not a place known for its work ethic
Bowie wrote: » I think you missed the question: I think Brid Smith was right. There's your out Blanch, ignore the question again and go off on one
RandomViewer wrote: » About 4 years ago there was a report saying 750 k workers earned less than €400 with another 300 k slightly higher ,so taking in to account minimum wage increases €450 -€500 being generous would average 25 k. CSO does state that 63% of the workforce earn less than average,
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Up and going where, do you know.
efanton wrote: » Well the FG vote is inhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/government-formation-fine-gael-approve-programme-for-government-1007669.html The overall result was 80% in favour and 20% against the programme for government. The total vote cast was 674, meaning a turnout of 95%. According to the party, the breakdown of votes were: Parliamentary Party Approved: 90% Not approved: 10% Council of Local Representatives Approved: 57% Not approved: 43% Constituency Delegates Approved: 71% Not approved: 29% Executive Council Approved: 85% Not approved: 15%
FrancieBrady wrote: » The party happy to go into opposition.
Bishop of hope wrote: » That's SF i think.
efanton wrote: » Well it looks like their county councillors were less than happy about forming a coalition. I was surprised at the number voting. 95% turn out and yet only 674 voting. 707.7 party members in total. the 0.7 must be Eoghan Murphy, always knew he wasn't the full shilling, It seems FG are are dying breed with that amount of party members, difficult to see how a party with so small a membership can survive into the future now that the GE vote is so fractured. Basically 10% of the party are TD's, councillors or senators. Add in family members and party workers and activists and there not a whole lot of the general public carrying a FG members card.
Podge_irl wrote: » FG does not have a one member one vote system. It’s pretty clear from the vote breakdown.
blanch152 wrote: » So you think you read something around four years ago that might back you up? And that is enough to dismiss the official CSO figures? I will stick with where I am until you produce something reasonable and up-to-date.
efanton wrote: » Did I say that? I fully understand how the voting system worked. In fact had the TD's and Senators not had 50% of the final vote and it was a simple one member one vote that 80% would be significantly lower
Podge_irl wrote: » I mean, you quite clearly don't understand that the number of members of FG is utterly irrelevant to the number of votes in this process. For the record, they had 21,000 members in 2017. Unsure what it is now, but its not 707.
