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The Irish Pub is finished.

Jimmy Garlic

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

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SlowMotion321 wrote: »

As a recovering alcoholic who has fallen off the wagon once or twice I feel sorry for the lost jobs but find it hard to drum up sympathy for the lost pubs, my own opinion (and my own weakness) before you normal tipplers jump at me!

They have fallen on their own sword. I genuinely hope most of them burn in eternal hell, because that’s what they deserve.

SlowMotion321

As a recovering alcoholic who has fallen off the wagon once or twice I feel sorry for the lost jobs but find it hard to drum up sympathy for the lost pubs, my own opinion (and my own weakness) before you normal tipplers jump at me!

ILoveYourVibes

Its definitely going to be different.

PTH2009

Not a fan of drinking and eating together (nightmare sanario for me for the next 3 weeks). Always have food before I'd start drinkin The smell of food in pubs turns my stomach

Can't see the irish pub disappear, people have been used to it for years and almost every celebration both good and bad is shared inside its walls.

Different times today but young people like trying to be the old irish (for there Instagram followers etc). We see all the trendy bands trying to reimagine the dubliners etc and drinking the guiness like me grandad did etc.

Rothko

touts wrote: »

Good riddance. We think they are the only way to have fun and that everyone else on the world loves us for them. In reality they are a cancer in Irish society and everyone else is laughing at us because of them.

Huh?

JP Liz V1

landofthetree wrote: »

Once pubs go down the food route they are no long part of the traditional pub culture imo.

So for me they have slowly dying for years.

For watching the Brennans in At Your Service, money is made in the food not in drinks

Strumms

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Probably in the domestic kitchen as most pubs, especially rural ones have the proprietors living on site. Freezer and a fryer, nothing complicated about it and the chances of poisonings are slim. All pubs have to offer food I believe, it’s a condition of the licence, correct me if I’m wrong.

The chances of poisoning being ‘slim’ isn’t good enough. It has to be nil.

Both the pubs I frequent you can see into the kitchen and you would almost eat your dinner off the floor it’s that spotless.

Either way the FSAI I believe are the auditors and they are not going to rewrite the regs or start turning a blind eye just to suit the ‘industry’... they are in fact VERY proactive in carrying out audits on pubs, takeaways and restaurants and actioning any establishments that are in non compliance with law enforcement as relates to food preparation... “The principal function of the Food Safety Authority of Ireland is to protect consumers and raise compliance through partnership, science and food law enforcement”....

worded

I sometimes the designated driver

5 euro for a bottle of Heineken 0
Over priced minerals

Had a pint at the start of the night once and the bar man accidentally gave me another on the next round.

I explained I was the driver and he grumpily took the Guinness back. Easily resold, but taken back with attitude. I then hit the over priced water.

The other 4 people wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for me.

Breathalysed that night on the way home and was under the limit

Pubs have super normal profits. Couldn’t care less if they closed. It’s tine a lot of people found a different hobby that getting sh1t faced on over priced booze

touts

Good riddance. We think they are the only way to have fun and that everyone else on the world loves us for them. In reality they are a cancer in Irish society and everyone else is laughing at us because of them.

In 20 years around a quarter will still exist. Another quarter will have evolved into something like wine bars. The rest will be gone. And we will look back at the time of the pub and wonder what the hell we were thinking. We are moving to a more mature relationship with drink.

Filmer Paradise

ShatterAlan wrote: »

"Discerning"? .... is that the word now for a wanker who has a choice?

I have friends who are millionaires and they would still prefer to suck down a half dozen pints in the kind of kip that you mention as opposed to some soulless glass countered wine bar.

Y'know for the past 10/15 years I've not been a pub goer. Despite having 7 or 8 pubs within staggering distance of my house.

Raising a family and all that........

Tell you what, when this lockdown is over, I'll be making a beeline to the old haunts that I used to go to............if they're still open.

Old man pubs rock!

whisky_galore

ShatterAlan wrote: »

"Discerning"? .... is that the word now for a wanker who has a choice?

I have friends who are millionaires and they would still prefer to suck down a half dozen pints in the kind of kip that you mention as opposed to some soulless glass countered wine bar.

You have friends? Good on you.

Junkyard Tom

We must be down to only several thousand pubs now then?

ShatterAlan

whisky_galore wrote: »

The stand alone drinking dens with open latrine standard toilets are finished.
So are middle of nowhere rural pubs, pubs that fail to give the public what it wants, whether that's live music or food, pubs with arsehole owners or bar staff.
Customers are more discerning now, they can go elsewhere or indeed drink at home.

Obviously all pubs cannot survive, hundreds of pubs have closed and tbh many were no loss.

The Irish pub itself is not finished. The ones that find their niche, have a loyal customer following have a good chance remaining open.

"Discerning"? .... is that the word now for a wanker who has a choice?

I have friends who are millionaires and they would still prefer to suck down a half dozen pints in the kind of kip that you mention as opposed to some soulless glass countered wine bar.

kowloon

frag420 wrote: »

Don’t forget Soros...

Darth Soros, the evil mastermind behind it all.

Edgware

The pubs that were kept going in rural Ireland did so because they were owner ran. The publicans family provided the staff and the publican invariably had other business interests such as farmer, auctioneer, undertaker T.D. etc. Now with smaller families and children not interested in the business the pubs are not economical to run. To get a good manager will be 50000 a year and if you dont pay him he will pay himself

whisky_galore

The stand alone drinking dens with open latrine standard toilets are finished.
So are middle of nowhere rural pubs, pubs that fail to give the public what it wants, whether that's live music or food, pubs with arsehole owners or bar staff.
Customers are more discerning now, they can go elsewhere or indeed drink at home.

Obviously all pubs cannot survive, hundreds of pubs have closed and tbh many were no loss.

The Irish pub itself is not finished. The ones that find their niche, have a loyal customer following have a good chance remaining open.

JupiterKid

dominatinMC wrote: »

What a load of tripe. Grandiose statements such as "the death spiral of the Irish pub" are almost laughable. I can't even begin to understand your plight as a recovering alcoholic, but you definitely do not understand the current pub scene. Yes, some rural pubs (in oversaturated markets) will suffer. However, take a walk down any main street on Thursday/Friday/Saturday (even Sunday) night and you're guaranteed to see busy pubs. Sure even before the Covid lockdown, we all saw footage of packed pubs in Temple Bar. The Irish Pub is going nowhere.

I didn’t say the Irish pub is going to completely die off, and I actually hope it doesn’t. That’s not going to happen in any case - there will always be a demand for a physical space for people to mix and drink. The pub is an important social outlet for so many and there can be great craic to be had in a pub. Actually when my drinking was at its very worst in 2014/15, I did nearly all my drinking at home, alone. Going to the pub would have been way too expensive for me given the amount I was pouring down my throat at that desperate time.

The pub is changing - more and more “gastropubs” opening, better food offerings, the places that will survive are having to offer the punter a quality experience for the price of the drink they sell - live music at weekends, a smoking beer garden, table quizzes, pool tables etc.

The tiny, filthy old man pubs that used to be so common in any average rural town or parts of Dublin and the regional cities are dying off very fast. Drive through any mid sized town and whereas 20 years ago there might have been 15 or 16 pubs, now there are only about 4 or 5 and many of these aren’t even open daily now. The decline of the Irish pub is an undeniable trend, whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not.

Rodney Bathgate

Cienciano wrote: »

I've never seen beans on toast as a main meal in a pub. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's a substantial meal imho. Wouldn't pay €9 for it though.

Some grated cheddar cheese on top and you have a gourmet meal.

Pauliedragon

3 pubs out of 5 in my area have been open for weeks. I'd guess mine isn't the only town where this is happening.

ShatterAlan

I lived in the US for a few year and played on a pub darts team. We'd play every Tuesday night. You'd have home matches and away matches. It was fun. Nothing to serious. Our team wasn't great but we did ok.

Anyway the owner of the pub usually put on food for the players for free even though they had no kitchen. The food was actually pretty good. They would set out a tressle table and on it put a few what are called chafing dishes. These are rectangular stainless steel dishes on a frame. Water is inside the bottom steel tray and another tray full of food is placed on top and another steel lid covering the whole thing. Little tins of flammable jelly called "Sternos" are place underneath to heat the water and keep everything piping hot.

Back to the food itself. It was actually very good. Meatballs and spaghetti, tacos with mince, and side plates of salsa, lettuce, cheese, etc., baked lasagne, drumsticks and rice.
It was different on every dart night.

A company would deliver this about 8pm, maybe an hour after the darts match started and we'd all take a halftime break and tuck in.

So maybe this could be something that pubs with out a kitchen could do.....but no company is going to invest in setting up such a business just for 3 weeks until they are not needed anymore.

dominatinMC

JupiterKid wrote: »

The Irish pub has been dying off for nearly 20 years now. Anyone who has been looking around cannot but have noticed the trend. The smoking ban was the start, then the drink driving crackdown, etc.

All Covid-19 is doing is quickening the trend of the death spiral.of the Irish pub.

It's sort of sad in a way, as the pub was central to Irish social life in the 19th and 20th Centuries, and the job losses and loss of social outlets for people, particularly older people, will be keenly felt.

But as a recovering alcoholic myself, personally I won't be lamenting the loss of pubs which made so much of their money off chronic alcoholics, a whole cohort of Irish men who went to their early graves.

Ireland has undergone fundamental social and cultural change in the past 30 years and the pub, along with the power of the Catholic church, is one of the main casualties. Maybe alcohol and the pub were so popular in past decades because of the repressed nature of Ireland - plus our bad weather, of course.

What a load of tripe. Grandiose statements such as "the death spiral of the Irish pub" are almost laughable. I can't even begin to understand your plight as a recovering alcoholic, but you definitely do not understand the current pub scene. Yes, some rural pubs (in oversaturated markets) will suffer. However, take a walk down any main street on Thursday/Friday/Saturday (even Sunday) night and you're guaranteed to see busy pubs. Sure even before the Covid lockdown, we all saw footage of packed pubs in Temple Bar. The Irish Pub is going nowhere.

riclad

Lock down protected 1000s of people from getting the virus. If you want to see how not to handle the crisis look at the USA.
The nó of people getting the virus is still rising
, especially in states that reopened after lockdown
Yes many pubs and cafes will close
I see some cafes are still takeout only
I Don, t see how they can stay in business
with 50 per cent of revenue gone.
We have no tourists now. How many shops pubs depend on tourists to survive.
The government did Ok in general
apart from the nursing home fiasco
We could open everything tommorow,
Some people will be afraid or reluctant to go to a pub especially if there's a 2 metre rule
Easier to just buy drink in the local supermarket
There's no easy solution to this crisis for pubs
or other retail stores
I see no evidence of hysteria at least from
this government in its policy's towards covid19

JupiterKid

The Irish pub has been dying off for nearly 20 years now. Anyone who has been looking around cannot but have noticed the trend. The smoking ban was the start, then the drink driving crackdown, etc.

All Covid-19 is doing is quickening the trend of the death spiral of the Irish pub.

It's sort of sad in a way, as the pub was central to Irish social life in the 19th and 20th Centuries, and the job losses and loss of social outlets for people, particularly older people, will be keenly felt.

But as a recovering alcoholic myself, personally I won't be lamenting the loss of pubs which made so much of their money off chronic alcoholics, a whole cohort of Irish men who went to their early graves.

Ireland has undergone fundamental social and cultural change in the past 30 years and the pub, along with the power of the Catholic church, is one of the main casualties. Maybe alcohol and the pub were so popular in past decades because of the repressed nature of Ireland - plus our bad weather, of course.

Filmer Paradise

corner of hells wrote: »

Could I bring my pint to the chipper ?

Only if you have a plastic 'glass'.

Deep Thought

It’s amazing how convenient this virus is for a lot of companies, shops , pubs etc..

corner of hells

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

No problem. Just do a deal with the local chipper/eating house.

No need to go to all the hassle of preparing food on site.

Let the people in for their pints & ring in an order for delivery.

Everyone wins!

Simples.:)

Could I bring my pint to the chipper ?

Filmer Paradise

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Without a kitchen it will be difficult.

No problem. Just do a deal with the local chipper/eating house.

No need to go to all the hassle of preparing food on site.

Let the people in for their pints & ring in an order for delivery.

Everyone wins!

Simples.:)

dominatinMC

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Pubs have been dying for probably 20 years, since drink driving got more serious. The Celtic Tiger boom papered over the problem for a while, but it became very apparent during the recession. People have other things to do now, Netflix, Sky Sports TV at home, treadmills, internet freely available, online dating, the pub will never be as central to life again as it once was. Some will survive though, just won't be as many, there won't be small villages with six or seven pubs.

All of the above are fine if you are some kind of introvert. Sitting at home, having a few cans watching Netflix is not my idea of fun. Similar argument applies for Sky Sports (which I might add is prohibitively expensive for a lot), but most of the enjoyment I get from a match is chatting to other people about it, debating tactics, controversies, etc. As for online dating, the majority of people I know end up going...yes, you've guessed it, to a pub for a few drinks to eventually meet up.

So no, I don't agree with your assertion. I do agree that there will be causalities among rural pubs, but they were over-saturated anyway imo. The era of people frequenting a bar all day, every day is well gone (no harm) but there is plenty of evidence to suggest the Thursday-Sunday trade is as busy as ever.

dominatinMC

buried wrote: »

If this f**king covid bastard comes back in a second wave around the start of Autumn and then into Winter, then they will be finished.

If (when :eek:) it comes back, the pubs will be least of our worries! You'd hope though that the government will be better prepared for this eventuality, and the whole economy will not have to be shut down again (just some sectors..)