Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

are you being willfully obtuse?

I've repeatedly asked the question and you are either refusing or unable to answer.

You're now trying to railroad things down a different path and by doing so showing no interest in a good faith discussion.

Pot-kettle, etc..

Foxtrol wrote: »

Are you going to answer my multiple questions on what point you were trying to make in your previous posts?

are you being willfully obtuse?

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

“White lives don’t matter.” = Not hate speech

“White lives matter.” = Hate speech

would you agree?

Are you going to answer my multiple questions on what point you were trying to make in your previous posts?

"Context doesn't matter when I have a point to make that relies on not acknowledging context."

Would you agree?

Foxtrol wrote: »

I still have no idea what point you're trying to make

“White lives don’t matter.” = Not hate speech

“White lives matter.” = Hate speech

would you agree?

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

incase you didn't see it...

I still have no idea what point you're trying to make

Are you saying the other poster is right to be ridiculously paranoid because the random twitter person also claimed she has support and received a promotion?

Plenty of people say stuff I don't agree with, including that woman's post, I'm just not fragile enough to believe that it is something I should get outraged by or fear that they are coming to get me.

Cupatae wrote: »

Oh dear it's ok man if your a staunch believer of BLM and they can do no wrong that's ok, we ve established that now, it's your inability to have a balanced discussion and only preaching one side of the story is what leads to so many people pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards of alot of your posts.

What other side of the story? You either believe in the statement that black lives matter or you don't.

As for the BLM group, I don't agree with everything they say and advocate, I never said I did. Also, it doesn't seem like you are aware that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of groups involved in the protests over the last month.

You asked why people keep posting vids of black people "randomly in your own words" attacking white people, that's prob why.. they find your posts heavily leaning one way.

And no one has been able to answer the question. One poster claimed they were all racially motivated but has yet to come back with any evidence.

I can acknowledge white people can be racist that there is police brutality..and in certain case blm are right, but I can also see black people make up 13.5% of the pop but do well over half the violent crime along with being racist something that's conveniently overlooked by urself and many others

It is not conveniently overlooked by me or people protesting. Like the rest of the world (including ireland) people in poverty are more likely to be involved in crime and the average black family's net worth is 10 times less than a white family. That is why they're asking for more money for education, housing etc etc rather than it be spent on the police for a town of 10,000 with a low crime rate having a tank.

The issue is you telling one side of the story. I haven't once seen you bring up any negative aspect of blm or the people following and there are plenty but you willfully ignore it.

I'm more than willing to have an actual discussion on both sides but those discussions don't come from random videos with no context or imagined scenarios that people are outraged about.

Foxtrol wrote: »

What point are you trying to make?

incase you didn't see it...

TomTomTim wrote: »

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Supposedly she got a promotion too.

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

was the original point

What point are you trying to make?

Finding one random person on twitter that made the statement doesn't make it any less paranoid or fragile to get upset about.

I'd be confident that I could find plenty of random people on twitter making anti-Irish comments but that doesn't mean I should get outraged or scared.

Foxtrol wrote: »

What irony. Your posts and those of others here are pure tin foil hat stuff. You and others have openly admitted to 'imagining' scenarios and then getting outraged by it.

Can't see the 'Forrest for the trees' sounds like someone that has really heavily bought into scaremongering from right wing media or too deep in QAnon. Yeah, I don't see an issue here, like I wasn't scared of immigrant caravans nor sharia law.

Oh dear

it's ok man if your a staunch believer of BLM and they can do no wrong that's ok, we ve established that now, it's your inability to have a balanced discussion and only preaching one side of the story is what leads to so many people pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards of alot of your posts.

You asked why people keep posting vids of black people "randomly in your own words" attacking white people, that's prob why.. they find your posts heavily leaning one way.

I can acknowledge white people can be racist that there is police brutality..and in certain case blm are right, but I can also see black people make up 13.5% of the pop but do well over half the violent crime along with being racist something that's conveniently overlooked by urself and many others

The issue is you telling one side of the story. I haven't once seen you bring up any negative aspect of blm or the people following and there are plenty but you willfully ignore it.

Cupatae wrote: »

I can only laugh the irony of your post...

As I said ya can't see the Forest for the trees.

Either that or your so biased your willfully being stupid

What irony. Your posts and those of others here are pure tin foil hat stuff. You and others have openly admitted to 'imagining' scenarios and then getting outraged by it.

Can't see the 'Forrest for the trees' sounds like someone that has really heavily bought into scaremongering from right wing media or too deep in QAnon. Yeah, I don't see an issue here, like I wasn't scared of immigrant caravans nor sharia law.

Foxtrol wrote: »

you're fragile and paranoid enough that random twitter post makes you feel this is a view held by a significant number of people.

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Not hate speech: “White lives don’t matter.”

Hate speech: “White lives matter too.”

Ok.

was the original point

stinkypinky wrote: »

Where is the evidence that George Floyd's killing was racially motivated?

Unlike that other poster, I never made that claim.

Danzy wrote: »

Her and those like her issuing the threats deserve harsh condemnation.

Ah, 'both sides' - the calling card of cowardly equivocation. Is it really so hard to just say that the death threats are bad? I think any reasonable person would see they're worse than what she said, at the least.

Unless you think things like this:

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/19539 wrote:

Other examples include, “...On another note, kill yourself. Else someone might show you which lives really Matter ” and “Why would you want to abolish whiteness anyway, we’ve given you everything you own, without us you’d still be chasing Bush meat with a blowpipe,” from the British Referendum Party.

Are in the same league as what she said.

Foxtrol wrote: »

So you/that other poster is taking all that offense from one random person on twitter?

There are plenty more people on twitter posting that believe the earth is flat but I don't believe they speak with any authority on the matter.

There isn't much I can say to you or the other poster if you're fragile and paranoid enough that random twitter post makes you feel this is a view held by a significant number of people.

I can only laugh

the irony of your post...

As I said ya can't see the Forest for the trees.

Either that or your so biased your willfully being stupid

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://assets.change.org/photos/6/zr/hf/NDzrHfeJIWvVeYj-800x450-noPad.jpg

So you/that other poster is taking all that offense from one random person on twitter?

There are plenty more people on twitter posting that believe the earth is flat but I don't believe they speak with any authority on the matter.

There isn't much I can say to you or the other poster if you're fragile and paranoid enough that random twitter post makes you feel this is a view held by a significant number of people.

stinkypinky

Foxtrol wrote: »

Where is the evidence that each of the videos are racially motivated?

Who is tolerating it?

Again, it is all in your head.

Where is the evidence that George Floyd's killing was racially motivated?

Danzy

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

She also received death threats but something tells me the usual free speech warriors here won't be rushing to her defence any time soon.

Her and those like her issuing the threats deserve harsh condemnation.

Danzy

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It's long past getting sinister.

We are facing in to a Red Army Faction, a la Baader–Meinhof gang re-creation.

A much more militant and cold version, not just targeting Corporate elites but native working class as well, dissenters of any kind will be targets.

BattleCorp

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Big Mouth creators vowed to find a Black actor to voice Missy, a young biracial girl, after Jenny Slate, who is a white actor, announced her decision to leave the Netflix cartoon series. "Ending my portrayal of Missy is one step in a life-long process of uncovering the racism in my actions," Slate said. The show creators issued an apology and say they "regret" their "original decision to cast a white actor to voice a biracial character.”

That 's practically racial segregation. Plenty white animated characters are voiced by black VA or other ethnicity. Should they now quite their roles as well. This sh1te is getting ridiculous now.

It's called acting for fcuk sake.

Going forward, do we need a murderer to play a murderer?
Going forward, do we need a paedophile to play a paedophile?

And if biracial means part white and part black, why is it racist to have....ah fcuk, I don't care anymore.

She also received death threats but something tells me the usual free speech warriors here won't be rushing to her defence any time soon.

TomTomTim

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

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Supposedly she got a promotion too.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Again, who is saying this? .

Foxtrol wrote: »

Where is the evidence that each of the videos are racially motivated?

Who is tolerating it?

Again, it is all in your head.

In your post, which I'll quote again below for you, you openly admit to imagining up a scenario and then get outraged by it. Why are you trying so hard to be a victim?

Wow you're literally gonna pretend..

You're so far BLM ya can't see the Forest for the trees.

By the way the posts you qouted are out of context and the inconvenience post was the one before it but good effort.

Cupatae wrote: »

Random acts of racially motivated attacks you mean, call it what it is.

Where is the evidence that each of the videos are racially motivated?

I'd assume it's to highlight the socially tolerated racism against white people by black people, and the hypocrisy and double standards of some posters on here.

Who is tolerating it?

Again, it is all in your head.

Cupatae wrote: »

The only person making stuff up here is you, remember you made up that I said murder was a minor inconvenience?

In your post, which I'll quote again below for you, you openly admit to imagining up a scenario and then get outraged by it. Why are you trying so hard to be a victim?

Cupatae wrote: »

Imagine if the white guy pulled out a gun and defended himself.. BLM woulda been on it in a flash! Celebs be pouring there hearts out in condolences..

statesaver

It's a shame the Burnley ' white lives matter ' guy didn't put ' Rotherham girls matter '. Would love to see the response to that from the Left and Right.

joe40 wrote: »

If GF killing had been an isolated incident, there would have been no uproar and you know that. BLM have been around for a good few years now. GF got all the attention because it was filmed, with witnesses. It is a focal point but not the sole cause of the demonstrations.

If cameras weren't there the killing would just have been another man does resisting arrest.

So now the criminal justice system in the US is racist against white cops, that's just nonsense.
There is another thread discussing that killing, so I'm not getting into details but if DA wants to press charges it is not because of the media. There must be strong legal reasons.

I'm assuming you seen the video the man took the cops tazer and fired it at him, In your opinion do you think that cop did anything wrong? If we weren't in the current climate so you think he d be facing death row ?

I know it's not a isolated incident , factually black people make up 13.5% of the pop and commit well over half the violent crimes in the us a statistic even more grim when broke down by gender , so I'd imagine they have alot of encounters with the police.

But I could show you multiple unjust killing of white people in very similar situations to GF but it doesn't get the same reaction why is that ?

We both know why it is but it's not PC to say it.

Foxtrol wrote: »

No one is pretending it isn't happening because the events you describe literally didn't happen

You're getting outraged about scenarios and a double standard that you've totally made up in your own head.

The only person making stuff up here is you, remember you made up that I said murder was a minor inconvenience?

You quite literally are pretending there aren't racially motivated attacks on white people by black people.. literally pretending now you are.