Hunky Monster wrote: » I lived in a very “diverse” part of London for years. To describe it as a hell hole would be generous. It’s clear it hasn’t worked over there and I don’t want to see Ireland make the same mistakes. I’m willing to bet most of the people who love the idea of diversity haven’t been anywhere except Lanzarote in their lives. Experience it first hand and you will 100% reject the idea. Take a weekend break to Paris and tell me how it’s a better place with “diversity”.
ChikiChiki wrote: » It's fantastic when people from new cultures are integrating into the community and making an effort. Likewise the community needs to make them feel welcome. However where there is no integration it can only be described as a disaster is waiting. I think Direct Provision is going to build a huge amount of resentment towards Ireland from the people trapped under them living conditions and that will be very harmful 15/20 years down the line.
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » I lived in Southwark and Croydon, London absolutely hated it. Birmingham was a sh*thole too.
ArchXStanton wrote: » Have we? And even if we did its too heavy a price to pay in my opinion
snotboogie wrote: » Demonstrably so. Whats your preferred measure of wealth? If you want to go back to dancing at the crossroads you are going to have to suck up the poverty, lack of opportunity and mass emigration that comes with being an isolated small country.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Migration quotas. Points based system designed to only allow people in who have skills that are in short supply. Job done. No need to go "dancing at the crossroads " or any other hysterics.
ArchXStanton wrote: » I've lived in multicultural places and one thing that always struck me and was a breath of fresh air on coming home was the friendliness of people, even walking down my hometown getting a hello off people or a salute from someone driving by.
Deleted User wrote: » I favor planned immigration along the lines of skilled/educated workforces, who have a certain amount of financial reserves to support themselves. I do favor multiculturalism that arises from them.. And I'm speaking as an expat who has lived over a decade abroad... I know what it's like to be a minority. I've also lived in many areas which were multicultural... and I think it's the sweeping clumping of them all together as if it's always the same, that's part of the problem. The issue is simple economics. Immigrants who get good work, get paid well, have a nice house, good school for their kids, etc, will lead pretty productive lifestyles and be happy about it. Crime will be generally low, because most of them don't need it, and still remember the hard times before arriving. The next generation though, might (might) be caught between cultures, feeling that they belong to neither, and in spite of their good backgrounds, be drawn to ally with the culture/country left behind, or reject their host country completely, turning antisocial. The real issue though, is not about those who do well after immigrating, or even those who are from the next generations. Even with typically larger families, the numbers aren't really an issue, since their parents can bail them out of trouble, or are educated/intelligent enough to push their kids a particular direction for life. The problem is with those who arrive and don't have the education/skills to compete effectively in a first world nation. I've taught in Asia, and other "third world" nations. Even "decent" schools/universities often have very low standards in terms of quality education. Their facilities are often decades behind for technology, severely limiting their ability to integrate with a service or high tech society for employment. And often they arrive in Europe without the language of the host country, which means an extended period to learn it enough to do more than the most basic of jobs. Which means low income, and pretty crap lifestyles. All the while, they're watching the "wealthy" who get to live a much better life, without really appreciating the costs those people have to pay for such a life...... which results in bitterness, and a leaning towards crime, or social instability. Demands for "equality" or benefits as a minority increase, because they're not in a position to gain the lifestyles that the educated/skilled do. The charities, and NGO's don't exactly help there either, since they have a stake in encouraging the belief that the situation is unfair.... Traditional immigration where educated/skilled people were sought, works. It works very well. It helped Australia to boom. This, more, sympathetic form of migration doesn't work well, and won't encourage any degree of social harmony because it fails to recognise, that no nation can afford to support rising numbers of migrants who are not equipped to live/work effectively in a modern nation....
Nesta2018 wrote: » That's exactly it and after only 20 years of immigration to Ireland, we have billions spent on DP and its associated costs, ghettos, "white flight" and an entire industry devoted to stoking ethnic and racial tension. What a disaster.
Hunky Monster wrote: » Trust me you made a great decision. My niece goes to one of those educate together schools. She came home one day and told her mother she got to wear a hijab at school today. She’s eight.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » I see some people saying the Irish need to make more of an effort to get to know foreign people who come here, that goes both ways and from what I've seen in various jobs and places I've lived in over the years is the people from other countries don't have much interest in getting to know the Irish either. People want to live and socialise with others from a similar backround and culture, and this isn't just something we see in Ireland, look at other EU countries and you will find people that came to those places from outside will stick together. It's human nature to want to stick with your own people and thats why multiculturalism is a failure everywhere.
ELM327 wrote: » I would have kicked up a right fuss over that if it happened to my child. That's as bad as being sent home in a union jack (butchers apron) tshirt.
snotboogie wrote: » Leaving the EU is absolutely bananas, especially when the reasoning behind it is migrant quotas. What issues are EU migrants causing in Ireland? All the numbers show that immigration from the EU to Ireland is a massive net positive. Thats all besides the point that Ireland is 100% set up as an exporting nation and an entry point for US companies to the EU. Leaving the EU would obliterate our economy.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » I agree it would destroy Ireland. We have lost control. Our future and our children's futures are in the hands of Brussels.
[Deleted User] wrote: » It's not the EU... it's our own political parties. The series of Irish governments. Look at Poland. They're managing to retain control and limit what Brussels can push on them. Irish politicians adore virtue signalling.
Deleted User wrote: » It's not the EU... it's our own political parties. The series of Irish governments. Look at Poland. They're managing to retain control and limit what Brussels can push on them. Irish politicians adore virtue signalling.
Hamachi wrote: » I’m not disagreeing with you. I think it’s important to remain open to different perspectives, ways of thinking, and friendship with people from diverse backgrounds. However, my experience on the ground is that this is mostly aspirational thinking. My employer is an extremely diverse, progressive organization. The employee demographics are pretty much split 50:50 between Irish people and internationals. We are required to take annual anti-racism, unconscious bias etc... training. The outcome you would expect is that this fosters many cross-cultural friendships, right? The reality is that it isn’t happening. The Irish people have gravitated towards one another, plus a couple of Europeans who are long established here. When impromptu nights out happen, these are the folks who tend to be invited and attend. Similarly, when the company organizes structured events, I know for a fact that many Irish people check the sign-up list before making the decision to attend or not. I’m culpable here too. I invited a group of colleagues to my own wedding. It didn’t even occur to me to invite any of the internationals. Not because I’m inherently xenophobic or racist. I simply have little in common with many of them, outside of sharing the same workplace. There is merit in what my employer is trying to do. It’s important to be respectful of different backgrounds and behave decently to others. However, fundamental human nature always asserts itself. Most people have a strong preference for being around others, with whom they share a common outlook and heritage. All the corporate training in the world will never override this basic human impulse.
snotboogie wrote: » What does that even mean? Do you have any actual arguments against an integrated Europe other than platitudes about our "children's future" What actual geopolitical gains would there be for Ireland leaving an immensely powerful trading block in the current climate?
ArchXStanton wrote: » It's not just a trading bloc anymore, it's heading for a fully fledged EU superstate, regardless of what the people think
KiKi III wrote: » Let’s say that’s true. As a small, peripheral island nation, would we benefit more from being inside that or outside of it?
Bambi wrote: » Poles still hav their own currency The reality is that european national governments have had their agency radically curtailed by both the EU and the globalisation of capital.
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