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The Irish Pub is finished.

Jimmy Garlic

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

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i57dwun4yb1pt8

no more double dipping either

ShamNNspace

I for one would have no hesitation in appointing Jimmy garlic as minister for health with responsibility for rural affairs in my fantasy cabinet

Feisar

fleet_admiral wrote: »

It honestly doesn't deserve a reply.

The meat for the stew, where do you get that? Batch codes, delivery date and temperature, fridge temperature, cooking temperature, hot hold temperature, all of this must be recorded.
The butcher you bought the meat off must be in your HACCP file as an approved supplier.
The person serving the stew must have relevant training and certs.

All fair points, how about those god awful pre packed dinners from Palas foods for example?

begbysback

Double post, devs need to answer some tough questions around here.

fleet_admiral

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

A bowl of some sort of stew there, that’s substantial. All you’d need is a ring and a large pot to make that. Spoons, bowls, napkins, sachets of sauce, salt and pepper. Where is the regulation saying you need a “kitted out” kitchen?

It honestly doesn't deserve a reply.

The meat for the stew, where do you get that? Batch codes, delivery date and temperature, fridge temperature, cooking temperature, hot hold temperature, all of this must be recorded.
The butcher you bought the meat off must be in your HACCP file as an approved supplier.
The person serving the stew must have relevant training and certs.

Jimmy Garlic

A bowl of some sort of stew there, that’s substantial. All you’d need is a ring and a large pot to make that. Spoons, bowls, napkins, sachets of sauce, salt and pepper. Where is the regulation saying you need a “kitted out” kitchen?

fleet_admiral

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Would you need a fully kitted out kitchen if this was the menu -

Soup

Chicken wings

Cocktail Sausages

Hash Browns

Crossons and Jam

Shur all you’d need is a chip pan and a kettle.

And what about storage of all of the above.

If you are freezing them then the freezer has to be placed under a critical control point. This has to be integrated with all other critical control points under HACCP.

frozenfrozen

proper kitchens are more to do with food hygiene than physically heating up food...

fleet_admiral

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

There's a 35 page document outlining areas of compliance specifically for COVID, surrounding the reopening of restaraunts.

That's an establishment who are already au fait with HACCP guidelines etc. A pub with limited/no food serving experience will also need to impliment and adhere to the 35 page document.

Any failure in compliance and the establishhment will be shut down.

Best of luck with the trolly dash.

Hes better off waiting til Monday, lidl have kitchen deals on

Feisar

murpho999 wrote: »

Anyhow I know you're trying to be funny, which it's not but it's simple that pubs that not operate a normal food business before with menus and proper kitchens will not be opening.

These hilarious jokes about cocktail sausages and €9 bags of Tayto will not work and those pubs will simply have to wait a few weeks.

I don't think I'll be bothered with the pubs for a while anyway with all the restrictions in place as I go their to relax.

Soup and a toasted ham, cheese, tomato and onion would set one back €9 in most places, hardly earth moving to set up for that.

Osborne

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

Who is going to draw up the Food Safety Management Plan without prior training, not to mention the level 3 HACCP Management course the Manager/Supervisor will have to complete before serving food.

It all takes time.

El_Duderino 09

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

Lol. You're fake news, Jimmy.

roverjoyce

Augeo wrote: »

Job losses are never good but less pubs would be net positive for the nation. They are a crutch for many who might find a better use of their time & money going forward.

Lets close the off license's as well - they are a far bigger problem than pubs

[Deleted User]

I actually hope the local pub stays closed. It's a celtic bar, attracts nothing but trouble and is a pain to live near. It's been bliss since the kip closed.

Chinasea

I am sorry for the loss of livelihoods. But much, much less litter from cigarette butts that the patrons seem to think it ok to fling on the ground or stuff down the nearest shore. Most pubs never cleaned or swept up outside. The cigarette butts just left littering and polluting.

whisky_galore

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Would you need a fully kitted out kitchen if this was the menu -

Soup

Chicken wings

Cocktail Sausages

Hash Browns

Crossons and Jam

Shur all you’d need is a chip pan and a kettle.

I'll have the cocktail sausages with a side of E.coli please.

[Deleted User]

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Would you need a fully kitted out kitchen if this was the menu -

Soup

Chicken wings

Cocktail Sausages

Hash Browns

Crossons and Jam

Shur all you’d need is a chip pan and a kettle.

Not a substantial meal.
They are all snacks/starters.

Crossons and Jam :pac: FFS ...... you aren't a food critic anyway

Jimmy Garlic

murpho999 wrote: »

You can't just cobble it together.

You need a fully kitted out kitchen which costs thousands, compliance with food safety rules which are extremely strict in Ireland.

Probably an issue with the licence.

Then you need staff.

Really you're oversimplyfing what food is and it's not chicken wings and peanuts.

Would you need a fully kitted out kitchen if this was the menu -

Soup

Chicken wings

Cocktail Sausages

Hash Browns

Crossons and Jam

Shur all you’d need is a chip pan and a kettle.

JohnnyFlash

Cienciano wrote: »

I've never seen beans on toast as a main meal in a pub. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's a substantial meal imho. Wouldn't pay €9 for it though.

Beans on toast is a substantial meal for a 1st year student.

Signore Fancy Pants

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

There's a 35 page document outlining areas of compliance specifically for COVID, surrounding the reopening of restaraunts.

That's an establishment who are already au fait with HACCP guidelines etc. A pub with limited/no food serving experience will also need to impliment and adhere to the 35 page document.

Any failure in compliance and the establishment will be shut down.

Best of luck with the trolly dash.

paw patrol

the sneering judgement of pubs and drinkers on this thread is amazing.

Cienciano

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Beans on toast is fine, or beans on waffles.

I've never seen beans on toast as a main meal in a pub. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's a substantial meal imho. Wouldn't pay €9 for it though.

y0ssar1an22

Do you have to order food, or the pub just have to offer it? A giant pot of pasta should suffice if you just have to offer it

[Deleted User]

The Irish pub is gone. Kaput as they say in France. We'll never see the likes again.

Until next Monday.

Rodney Bathgate

Cienciano wrote: »

Not true either.

You think a bowl of peanuts fulfills that? You go into many pubs that have a bowl of peanuts on the menu as a main meal? Or bowl of cocktail sausages?

Beans on toast is fine, or beans on waffles.

murpho999

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

You can't just cobble it together.

You need a fully kitted out kitchen which costs thousands, compliance with food safety rules which are extremely strict in Ireland.

Probably an issue with the licence.

Then you need staff.

Really you're oversimplyfing what food is and it's not chicken wings and peanuts.

HBC08

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

That's genius Jimmy.
If only the business owners of Ireland had the same can do,problem solving skills.

Jimmy Garlic

HBC08 wrote: »

I'm currently trying to reopen a side business (tourism based) on Mon 29th.Its a lot less complicated than reopening a pub to act as a restaurant but theres an awful lot involved in complying with new covid regulations.
"cobbled together" doesnt cut it.

I suspect youre not running a business yourself but give gold plated advice from the barstool?

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

Dravokivich

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Or over saturation?

Is it a good idea to have 6 pubs in a town with 1 street?

Depends on the population and rate of footfall in the area from passing traffic.

Cienciano

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

Not true either.

This definition provides that “the meal
is such as might be expected to be served as a main midday or
evening meal or as a main course in either such meal” and is of a
kind for which it would be reasonable to charge not less than €9

You think a bowl of peanuts fulfills that? You go into many pubs that have a bowl of peanuts on the menu as a main meal? Or bowl of cocktail sausages?