Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Oh? If you're there every day, then you're perfectly placed to see the amount of red-light breaking from cars and cyclists, and you'll also notice that cars do it for a couple of seconds, while cyclists go through at any stage.

You're also well placed to head down to the corner of Stephen's Green to see the path-cycling, red-light breaking, cycling the wrong way down one-way streets and cycling on pedestrianised streets, all in the one place - I'm not even dragging you out of your way!

Did I mention that the Gardai's figures imply you may have some sort of issue in which you don't seem to register everything happening in front of you, or just an unhealthy fascination of cyclists?

I think I may have mentioned the Garda numbers before.

Thargor wrote: »

Jesus Christ can you not even think about it for a second? They're not the same thing. When a cyclist runs a red light nothing happens and if it does its only to themselves, when a driver runs a red light innocent people get killed, over and over again:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/truck-driver-who-broke-red-light-and-killed-pedestrian-21-jailed-for-three-years-39295075.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-24-who-died-in-crash-was-disqualified-driver-1.4118640

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/two-year-sentence-for-driver-who-killed-cyclist-after-running-red-light-34827328.html

Its okay for me to point a water pistol at someone, its not okay to point a loaded shotgun at someone, they are not equivalent, is it that difficult to grasp?

Nobody is excusing red light jumping by motorists. Even "safe" RLJing by motorists in the first few seconds of the red phase is an inconvenience to pedestrians like myself who have to stop and wait at the green man. And nobody is defending genuinely awful things like causing a fatal accident while driving disqualified or anything of the sort. Nobody.

But as we've seen, cyclist in our major cities tend to act very aggressively towards pedestrians, and have a holier-than-thou attitude to motorists who by and large are not terrible. So when one is both a regular pedestrian and a regular motorist (doing their best to be observant and respectful in both capacities) we tend to consider the sanctimonious hypocrisy to be mind-blowing.

SeanW wrote: »

Nobody is excusing red light jumping by motorists. Even "safe" RLJing by motorists in the first few seconds of the red phase is an inconvenience to pedestrians like myself who have to stop and wait at the green man.

But as we've seen, cyclist in our major cities tend to act very aggressively towards pedestrians, and have a holier-than-thou attitude to motorists who by and large are not terrible. So when one is both a regular pedestrian and a regular motorist (doing their best to be observant and respectful in both capacities) the hypocrisy tends to be overwhelming.

You still struggling with your obsession too Sean?

You might get a group deal on counseling.

It's an obsession, there's no other explanation why days upon days you post the same thing and don't take this thread for the nonsense and stupidity of it that most others accepted a long time ago.

Yes, I don't like sanctimonious two-wheeled hypocrites. You got me. :rolleyes:

Thargor

SeanW wrote: »

Nobody is excusing red light jumping by motorists. Even "safe" RLJing by motorists in the first few seconds of the red phase is an inconvenience to pedestrians like myself who have to stop and wait at the green man. And nobody is defending genuinely awful things like causing a fatal accident while driving disqualified or anything of the sort. Nobody.

But as we've seen, cyclist in our major cities tend to act very aggressively towards pedestrians, and have a holier-than-thou attitude to motorists who by and large are not terrible. So when one is both a regular pedestrian and a regular motorist (doing their best to be observant and respectful in both capacities) we tend to consider the sanctimonious hypocrisy to be mind-blowing.

So when a motorist jumps the red light its "safe" and just "inconvenient" to you the pedestrian and every other road user at the junction whose life they just risked for their own selfish convenience but when a cyclist does it even though nobody but themselves is put at risk its aggression? Sanctimonious hypocrisy indeed.

How many more straw men are you going to beat up? Where did I defend any red light jumping motorist? :eek:

Anyone who has been a pedestrian in Dublin for more than 5 minutes will get a sense for the things they have to watch out for. Cyclists menacing them on the footpath and "negotiating" their way through pedestrians at junctions where they should be stopped on red. Motorists who force them to wait a few seconds at "green man" crossings by running a fresh red.

ANY observant pedestrian will be aware of what is going on. It should not happen, but that doesn't make it the crime of the century.

Meanwhile things motorist have done that DO put me in danger ... well those have nothing to do with "breaking muh speed limits" so they are irrelevant according to some.

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SeanW wrote: »

What use would motorist call buttons provide that would justify the enormous expense of installing them and the problems they would cause for every driver?

No more expensive than pedestrian buttons, surely? I'm not suggesting that everything should be changed overnight, but they could be replaced gradually over time, as junctions are being upgraded.

Why is it so unthinkable that drivers should have to do what others have to do every day? In the city centre particularly, there are way more pedestrians than drivers on the streets, so why shouldn't pedestrians get priority?

SeanW wrote: »

Your examples are all cherry picked. Most of us use the roads daily and see that most red light jumping by motorists is in the first few seconds of the red phase. No-one has denied that late stage RLJing by motorists occurs from time to time. It's just not the rule.

When you're haggling over whether motorists blew the red light by a large or a small margin, you've kinda lost already.

But the fact that I was able to record two incidents within 1km of each other over the course of the week would suggest that the late stage RLJing is perhaps not quite as 'exceedingly rare' as some have suggested.

Pinch Flat

Thargor wrote: »

So when a motorist jumps the red light its "safe" and just "inconvenient" to you the pedestrian and every other road user at the junction whose life they just risked for their own selfish convenience but when a cyclist does it even though nobody but themselves is put at risk its aggression? Sanctimonious hypocrisy indeed.

the hypocrisy is gas.

Thargor

SeanW wrote: »

How many more straw men are you going to beat up? Where did I defend any red light jumping motorist? :eek:

The bit where you called red light jumping by a motorist forcing pedestrians to wait on a green man as safe and only an inconvenience when its actually a major cause of fatal traffic accidents?

SeanW wrote: »

Anyone who has been a pedestrian in Dublin for more than 5 minutes will get a sense for the things they have to watch out for. Cyclists menacing them on the footpath and "negotiating" their way through pedestrians at junctions where they should be stopped on red. Motorists who force them to wait a few seconds at "green man" crossings by running a fresh red.

Why do you keep talking like these things are equivalent in any way? One is mildly annoying, the other results in death. Your bias is so ridiculous, the cyclist is "menacing" but the motorist is "just making them wait a few seconds".

SeanW wrote: »

Meanwhile things motorist have done that DO put me in danger ... well those have nothing to do with "breaking muh speed limits" so they are irrelevant according to some.

I have no idea what this means, there are no speed limits on bikes for obvious reasons, the time between fatal accidents caused by cyclists is measured in decades, breaking speed limits in a motor vehicle especially with cyclists and pedestrians around is extremely dangerous and the time between fatalities is measured in days.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

the hypocrisy is gas.

It would be if actually defended early-stage RLJing.

This is like insisting that people should use typewriters because computers make things too easy. Anyway I'm certain our dog has two hamsters on a wheel operating her but even she would come up with more intelligent trolling.

Edit: I 'm talking about button nonsense.

meeeeh wrote: »

This is like insisting that people should use typewriters because computers make things too easy. Anyway I'm certain our dog has two hamsters on a wheel operating her but even she would come up with more intelligent trolling.

Edit: I 'm talking about button nonsense.

I'm not sure the poster is trolling. They could actually be deranged enough to be serious.

SeanW wrote: »

I'm not sure the poster is trolling. They could actually be deranged enough to be serious.

Well he is happy when someone gets killed on the roads because it gives him more material here. So maybe...

meeeeh wrote: »

Well he is happy when someone gets killed on the roads because it gives him more material here. So maybe...

You think this thread had reached the lowest depths and you come along and pathetically scrape the bottom, and other eejits thank it.

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meeeeh wrote: »

This is like insisting that people should use typewriters because computers make things too easy.

Not really. It's more like insisting that those people over there get to use the computer now because the other people over here have been hogging the computer for decades.

Cycling on the pavement is illegal. It’s annoying, it’s possibly antisocial and the Gardai give it the attention it deserves.

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Hurrache wrote: »

You think this thread had reached the lowest depths and you come along and pathetically scrape the bottom, and other eejits thank it.

Because Andy hasn't been using other people's misfortune to push his agenda? Did you miss the part where he picked on some old people to score cheap points?

SeanW wrote: »

Because Andy hasn't been using other people's misfortune to push his agenda? Did you miss the part where he picked on some old people to score cheap points?

Grow the **** up.

Hurrache wrote: »

You think this thread had reached the lowest depths and you come along and pathetically scrape the bottom, and other eejits thank it.

You don't notice the glee around when another person gets killed? The enthusiastic digging of the details and then using it to win arguments. There is a reason I tend not to read too many accident and crime reports or watch breeding videos. If those close to the victim want to use tell their story then fine but otherwise it's often just using dead people as pawns for cheap point scoring.

You might accuse me scrapping the bottom but maybe you and some here should look into the mirror every so often.

Same to you, Laurel and Hardy have nothing on you.

Hurrache wrote: »

Same to you, Laurel and Hardy have nothing on you.

Oh so it's a comedy. I'm glad it entertains you.

BTW I never claimed I'm particularly nice or good or righteous. (Neither I trust those who do.)

Have you really not realised it's been a joke of a thread for weeks now in which attitudes like yours have been openly mocked?

Hurrache wrote: »

Have you really not realised it's been a joke of a thread for weeks now in which attitudes like yours have been openly mocked?

Oh that's what road victims were used for. Thanks for confirming.

And yes I noticed the mocking and knew exactly what it was about. And my point was it won't win you any friends. Funny thing is never actually overly commented on behaviour of cyclists and drivers, just on the motives of posters here. But mock away.

magicbastarder

SeanW wrote: »

Nobody is excusing red light jumping by motorists. Even "safe" RLJing by motorists in the first few seconds of the red phase is an inconvenience to pedestrians
But as we've seen, cyclist in our major cities tend to act very aggressively towards pedestrians, and have a holier-than-thou attitude to motorists who by and large are not terrible.

this thread keeps on giving. ever had someone drive a car at you - deliberately or carelessly - in a way that you get a nice adrenaline kick of 'oh ****, this could get very nasty very quickly'?
it happened me today. an SUV driver pulled out across in front of me without looking near sutton village, and seemed surprised that i was there, despite having been in view of her wing mirror for about five seconds before it happened.
regarding a situation with a cyclist where i've thought the same thing (as a pedestrian); it has happened me twice, that i can remember.

i've had people deliberately swerve their cars at me, whether for their own enjoyment or out of some sense of duty towards supposedly hated cyclists. it's not fun. it probably counts as assault.

No, I've NEVER had a motorist directly aim their car at me. Never.

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SeanW wrote: »

No, I've NEVER had a motorist directly aim their car at me. Never.

I have, after asking the driver of a Cork reg silver Merc to put their phone down.

SeanW wrote: »

No, I've NEVER had a motorist directly aim their car at me. Never.

You need to get out more. First time it happened to me was when I was 13 or 14 years old. I was in a car park on my bike. This car came into the car park and drove straight at me. Two guys in the car laughing. They screeched to a halt a few feet from me. Then they reversed at speed, did a "J" turn and sped off.

Not a pleasant experience.

The second time was when I was cycling to college. I was in the bus lane on the Malahide road. A van came along behind me a beeped at me to move over, when I said no, he drove straight into me. Well he would have only i veered to the left and "bunny hopped" up onto the pavement. Vanman proceeded to accelerate past me and thru the next junction.