ArchXStanton wrote: » "A 2007 government report stated that immigration in Dublin has caused "dramatic" white flight from elementary schools in a studied area (Dublin 15). 27% of residents were foreign-born immigrants. The report stated that Dublin was risking creating immigrant-dominated banlieues, on the outskirts of a city, similar to such areas in France. The immigrants in the area included Eastern Europeans (such as those from Poland), Asians, and Africans (mainly from Nigeria).[51]"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight We're already further down the track than we think
biko wrote: » We need a referendum that will guide the politicians for the next 20 years.
Hamachi wrote: » Is this genuine? I have met and worked with quite a few immigrants who have minimal interest in Ireland, but I’ve never known a scenario where there is such open hostility displayed to the local community. If this is legitimate, it’s pretty concerning. Your scenario also ties in with one of the points I made in my previous posts; many people have no intention of bridging cross-cultural divides and are quite happy to remain ensconced within their own communities. According to one commentator here, this is a failing of Irish people not to reach out. Of course, the point that s/he repeatedly chooses to ignore is that many people, regardless of their origins, simply prefer being around those with whom they share common values and outlooks. This underpins the development of parallel societies all across Western Europe. If your example is genuine, it looks like Ireland is further down that track than I had believed it to be.
DelaneyIn wrote: » We may get a rerun of the twenty seventy amendment. That would be “fun.” It would give us a gauge of where we are at.
Geuze wrote: » One thing strikes me: There are lots of eastern Europeans here, maybe 100,000? There are fewer Africans here, I'd say. Yet the SJW/RTE/IT/civil service keep pushing the agenda of "diversity / "new-Irish / put black faces in posters, not enough minorities in certain positions" etc for the Africans, yet they don't seem to suggest the same thing for the eastern Europeans??
Hamachi wrote: » Is this genuine? I have met and worked with quite a few immigrants who have minimal interest in Ireland, but I’ve never known a scenario where there is such open hostility displayed to the local community. If this is legitimate, it’s pretty concerning. Your scenario also ties in with one of the points I made in my previous posts; many people have no intention of bridging cross-cultural divides and are quite happy to remain ensconced within their own communities.
Bambi wrote: » I remember being out in a big school in Dublin 15, you take a look at the class photos and names then you realize that Irish as an ethnicitiy is finished in that catchment area. We're not further down the track, we've arrived.
Hamachi wrote: » Normally, I don’t get involved in political debates. It’s just not worth the aggravation. However, I live in Dublin 15 and have a young family, which means I have ‘skin in the game’ in this conversation around multiculturalism. You are correct. There are schools in this area where 70-80% of the children are non-Irish. For balance, there is also a significant number of schools that are predominantly Irish. Dublin 15 is a big place. The demographics can change dramatically within half a mile. What’s indisputable is that distinct ethnic enclaves have formed in this area. For instance, there is a very noticeable concentration of South Asian people in Ongar. White / Irish flight is an on-going phenomenon out here. When we first moved into our development, ~80% of residents were Irish. Today, it’s ~60%. Anecdotally, several of my neighbors have removed their kids from local schools and transferred to less diverse schools in the commuter towns further out. Whether it’s true or not, their rationale is that they believed their children’s education was being compromised by the time spent on English language acquisition. As a parent, this concerns me deeply. I’m not sure if Dublin 15 is the right locale or can provide an appropriate educational setting for my family. It’s disturbing to think that there are now parts of our towns and cities that Irish people are actively avoiding.
Pakistani names have featured on Ballyhaunis hurling teams for over two decades. There are eastern European and Syrian names on the Ballyhaunis soccer team while the recently established Ballyhaunis Cricket Club is a strong outlet for members of the Muslim community.
Students get along quite well. There’s never been any flashpoints from a race perspective. Having said that at lunchtimes students with similar backgrounds do hang around and that’s understandable and that happens in all walks of life.
The indigenous population is coming close to being the minority and the social cohesion of the town is under threat. The migrants don’t take an active a part in the social economy of the town.
It’s important to remember though that the need for integration is but one of the its struggles. Ballyhaunis saw a 38% surge in its population from 2006 to 2011. This immigrant-driven hike hides the exodus of thousands of the town’s youth due to a lack of graduate employment.
By and large, integration has done quite well. That’s thanks to the schools, organisations like the GAA, Tidy Towns who make the effort to involve every nationality. Eastern europeans and Africans are very welcome in this church indeed, as are people of other religions and eastern Europeans have acted as readers and eucharistic ministers. There was a Polish mass here but it was stopped because the Polish community wanted to integrate more and go to the regular mass.”
Wibbs wrote: » Because Eastern Europeans are White Europeans. Simple as that. White faces don't look good in HR department posters or NGO front pages. They're not the Right sort of immigrant or multicultural. Same for the thousands of German, French, Italian, Russian, Spanish, British etc White folks living here. Most people don't realise there are over 100,000 British people living here, over 10,000 each of Germans, French, Spanish and Italians. You won't see them in posters glorifying our diversity. They may as well be invisible to the progressives. Like I noted earlier, none of these multiculturalist muppets would dream of suggesting a Black nation is in need of the "diversity" of a large influx of White people, but they're very particular about what kind of "diversity" they want and it's only White people who need it. So Ireland could be one of the most multicultural places on Earth, but if those sub cultures were only pale of face White Europeans that wouldn't cut it. Not even close. You'll note East Asian folks don't get so much of a look in either and are definitely down the hierarchy of what is Correct Diversity. Like I also noted before there is very much a hierarchy of "race" with your progressive types and it exactly follows the hierarchy of out and out racists. They're both just as obsessed by it. TL;DR? the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice of attention and virtue.
Wibbs wrote: » Like I noted earlier, none of these multiculturalist muppets would dream of suggesting a Black nation is in need of the "diversity" of a large influx of White people, but they're very particular about what kind of "diversity" they want and it's only White people who need it. So Ireland could be one of the most multicultural places on Earth, but if those sub cultures were only pale of face White Europeans that wouldn't cut it. Not even close. You'll note East Asian folks don't get so much of a look in either and are definitely down the hierarchy of what is Correct Diversity. Like I also noted before there is very much a hierarchy of "race" with your progressive types and it exactly follows the hierarchy of out and out racists. They're both just as obsessed by it. TL;DR? the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice of attention and virtue.
threeball wrote: » This is not just happening in Dublin. We have one rural school close to us where the student numbers swelled from 40 to over 200 in a matter of years. The local town schools were filled with foreign nationals and travellers and most of the day was dedicated to bringing these kids along to try to get some kind of standard. The local peoples kids were stunted due to this and parents voted with their feet and started moving them to the country schools. Most small schools surrounding the town are now at bursting point because of this. I know of 6 with extension work underway at the moment.
Hamachi wrote: » That’s depressing. It really makes you wonder where our society is going. What’s the endgame of all this demographic change? What kind of society is being passed on to the next generation, our children? .
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » A lot of areas in the UK are not actually "multicultural" - rather they become separate areas of mono-culture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXFzauGwog It's not hard to see why a growing number of English people are concerned about immigration and why voting patterns are what they are becoming today - which is ever more to the right.
Hamachi wrote: » That’s depressing. It really makes you wonder where our society is going. What’s the endgame of all this demographic change? What kind of society is being passed on to the next generation, our children? One thing I do know is that some mild mannered people are increasingly uneasy about the changes they see happening around them. This rising sense of disquiet has been ignored or silenced until now. However, if things continue in the current direction, it’s inevitable that the boiling pot will start to overflow.
olestoepoke wrote: » My two boys go to an all Irish speaking gaelscoil. We chose this form of education because the alternative educate together is mostly "new Irish". I read that there has been an increase in demand for Irish speaking schools in recent years and many believe it is due to a form of racism or xenephobia but our main motive was fear of stunted learning due to time wasted on foreign kids etc. I'm not doubting there is some racism behind the popularity of irish schools as in our case the pupils are 99% "old irish"
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