Hamachi wrote: » Normally, I don’t get involved in political debates. It’s just not worth the aggravation. However, I live in Dublin 15 and have a young family, which means I have ‘skin in the game’ in this conversation around multiculturalism. You are correct. There are schools in this area where 70-80% of the children are non-Irish. For balance, there is also a significant number of schools that are predominantly Irish. Dublin 15 is a big place. The demographics can change dramatically within half a mile. What’s indisputable is that distinct ethnic enclaves have formed in this area. For instance, there is a very noticeable concentration of South Asian people in Ongar. White / Irish flight is an on-going phenomenon out here. When we first moved into our development, ~80% of residents were Irish. Today, it’s ~60%. Anecdotally, several of my neighbors have removed their kids from local schools and transferred to less diverse schools in the commuter towns further out. Whether it’s true or not, their rationale is that they believed their children’s education was being compromised by the time spent on English language acquisition. As a parent, this concerns me deeply. I’m not sure if Dublin 15 is the right locale or can provide an appropriate educational setting for my family. It’s disturbing to think that there are now parts of our towns and cities that Irish people are actively avoiding.
Wibbs wrote: » Like I noted earlier, none of these multiculturalist muppets would dream of suggesting a Black nation is in need of the "diversity" of a large influx of White people, but they're very particular about what kind of "diversity" they want and it's only White people who need it. So Ireland could be one of the most multicultural places on Earth, but if those sub cultures were only pale of face White Europeans that wouldn't cut it. Not even close. You'll note East Asian folks don't get so much of a look in either and are definitely down the hierarchy of what is Correct Diversity. Like I also noted before there is very much a hierarchy of "race" with your progressive types and it exactly follows the hierarchy of out and out racists. They're both just as obsessed by it. TL;DR? the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice of attention and virtue.
Wibbs wrote: » Because Eastern Europeans are White Europeans. Simple as that. White faces don't look good in HR department posters or NGO front pages. They're not the Right sort of immigrant or multicultural. Same for the thousands of German, French, Italian, Russian, Spanish, British etc White folks living here. Most people don't realise there are over 100,000 British people living here, over 10,000 each of Germans, French, Spanish and Italians. You won't see them in posters glorifying our diversity. They may as well be invisible to the progressives. Like I noted earlier, none of these multiculturalist muppets would dream of suggesting a Black nation is in need of the "diversity" of a large influx of White people, but they're very particular about what kind of "diversity" they want and it's only White people who need it. So Ireland could be one of the most multicultural places on Earth, but if those sub cultures were only pale of face White Europeans that wouldn't cut it. Not even close. You'll note East Asian folks don't get so much of a look in either and are definitely down the hierarchy of what is Correct Diversity. Like I also noted before there is very much a hierarchy of "race" with your progressive types and it exactly follows the hierarchy of out and out racists. They're both just as obsessed by it. TL;DR? the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice of attention and virtue.
Pakistani names have featured on Ballyhaunis hurling teams for over two decades. There are eastern European and Syrian names on the Ballyhaunis soccer team while the recently established Ballyhaunis Cricket Club is a strong outlet for members of the Muslim community.
Students get along quite well. There’s never been any flashpoints from a race perspective. Having said that at lunchtimes students with similar backgrounds do hang around and that’s understandable and that happens in all walks of life.
The indigenous population is coming close to being the minority and the social cohesion of the town is under threat. The migrants don’t take an active a part in the social economy of the town.
It’s important to remember though that the need for integration is but one of the its struggles. Ballyhaunis saw a 38% surge in its population from 2006 to 2011. This immigrant-driven hike hides the exodus of thousands of the town’s youth due to a lack of graduate employment.
By and large, integration has done quite well. That’s thanks to the schools, organisations like the GAA, Tidy Towns who make the effort to involve every nationality. Eastern europeans and Africans are very welcome in this church indeed, as are people of other religions and eastern Europeans have acted as readers and eucharistic ministers. There was a Polish mass here but it was stopped because the Polish community wanted to integrate more and go to the regular mass.”
Bambi wrote: » I remember being out in a big school in Dublin 15, you take a look at the class photos and names then you realize that Irish as an ethnicitiy is finished in that catchment area. We're not further down the track, we've arrived.
Geuze wrote: » One thing strikes me: There are lots of eastern Europeans here, maybe 100,000? There are fewer Africans here, I'd say. Yet the SJW/RTE/IT/civil service keep pushing the agenda of "diversity / "new-Irish / put black faces in posters, not enough minorities in certain positions" etc for the Africans, yet they don't seem to suggest the same thing for the eastern Europeans??
biko wrote: » We need a referendum that will guide the politicians for the next 20 years.
Hamachi wrote: » Is this genuine? I have met and worked with quite a few immigrants who have minimal interest in Ireland, but I’ve never known a scenario where there is such open hostility displayed to the local community. If this is legitimate, it’s pretty concerning. Your scenario also ties in with one of the points I made in my previous posts; many people have no intention of bridging cross-cultural divides and are quite happy to remain ensconced within their own communities.
DelaneyIn wrote: » We may get a rerun of the twenty seventy amendment. That would be “fun.” It would give us a gauge of where we are at.
Hamachi wrote: » Is this genuine? I have met and worked with quite a few immigrants who have minimal interest in Ireland, but I’ve never known a scenario where there is such open hostility displayed to the local community. If this is legitimate, it’s pretty concerning. Your scenario also ties in with one of the points I made in my previous posts; many people have no intention of bridging cross-cultural divides and are quite happy to remain ensconced within their own communities. According to one commentator here, this is a failing of Irish people not to reach out. Of course, the point that s/he repeatedly chooses to ignore is that many people, regardless of their origins, simply prefer being around those with whom they share common values and outlooks. This underpins the development of parallel societies all across Western Europe. If your example is genuine, it looks like Ireland is further down that track than I had believed it to be.
ArchXStanton wrote: » "A 2007 government report stated that immigration in Dublin has caused "dramatic" white flight from elementary schools in a studied area (Dublin 15). 27% of residents were foreign-born immigrants. The report stated that Dublin was risking creating immigrant-dominated banlieues, on the outskirts of a city, similar to such areas in France. The immigrants in the area included Eastern Europeans (such as those from Poland), Asians, and Africans (mainly from Nigeria).[51]"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight We're already further down the track than we think
wildeside wrote: » The fundamental problem here is it's a complex issue and we don't get to have a national debate on it, we're left to slug it out on internet forums. And no matter how progressive your society is if demographic change is large and relatively quick the rise of the right is inevitablehttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-9477.12147 So we'll continue to bury our heads in the sand, too terrified to have an adult conversation for fear of being called a racist or xenophobe. You know maybe the Brexit-eers were pushing back against large societal transformations like this?https://youtu.be/vn-TeN05qlg Is this the end goal of multiculturalism? Is this wha our leaders want? Is this what people want? Is this kind of transformation a good thing or a bad thing for a society? What can we learn from this experiment? These are serious questions with serious consequences. You know when I go to my doctor I hope his/her reasoning is evidence-based. If multiculturalism is intended to address a societal ill (or maybe not even an 'ill' but to perhaps just to strengthen a society) then it should also be evidence-based. The problem is some of the evidence is inconvenient and not very politically correct.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-identify-126-members-of-a-crime-gang-in-the-republic-1.4286787 So Gardai have identified 126 members of a single crime gang dotted around Ireland. All of them are from Romania.All of them. Gas, isn't it?
threeball wrote: » I can't agree with you there, even in a small town like the one i live in there is an estate that is at least 90% Polish. Everyone speaks polish, everyone tries to carry on life as if they were in poland, they're not shy about telling you how sh1t ireland is and how we should be more like them. Thats replicated across many towns and many nationalities that come here. Its not right to come to a country and try to impose your will on the place. Do it in the opposite direction and you wouldnt last 5 mins.
Bobblehats wrote: » We don’t have the pull to absorb in that regard. Small, niche left of field culture they are attracted to the pull of the cultural hubs either side at best.. close to integration as yer gona get the only thing really luring most of these people is the only reason they can pin us on the map; blindfolded in fact. That’s right we’re that donkey.
threeball wrote: » I can't think of a single country where its worked well and hasn't led to heightened racial tensions. If you're not willing to embrace the culture of the country you're moving to, then don't go there. Building mini enclaves within cities and countries breeds distrust and hatred. Its human nature to distrust other tribes. In Ireland we can hate the parish next door, extend that with language and culture and you reach a different level. All for immigration but have the decency to respect the locals and embrace their way of life.
snotboogie wrote: » That's kind of a bizarre conclusion. I can certainly understand less time to travel and higher barriers to moving abroad if one has kids but if a new guy from a different country starts in the office or moves next door, I'm not going to be less friendly to him because of a perceived difficulty building trust due to a lack of cultural shorthand. There are less opportunities to meet people of all backgrounds as you get older but if people are in a convient proximity, whether through work or something else, I haven't seen any barriers due to background. Two of the most popular guys in my office over the last few years have been from Canada and Singapore, the Singaporean is in his late 30s with a wife and kids and had no issues meeting similar people here
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » All of them.
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