Hunky Monster wrote: » Who would argue that. Let’s wait and see.
Overheal wrote: » Well you know many folks here would argue the man who got arrested is solely responsible for what happened to him and got what he deserved.
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » A deputy from Harris County Sheriff’s Office, Ellison Collins, invited a 61 y/o man to slap him in the face, the cop returned the slap with enough force to knock the older man to the ground, busting his head. Collins body cam was not on but the body cam of another officer’s got it all on camera. Hash tag white privilege https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWa0b-l-K3Y
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » Bubba Smollett. After his melodramatic display of victimhood stating he found a noose in his pit area. All of the sh*t he has caused, not only in the nascar community, there should be a punishment in place. He sure benefited from it. This was nothing more than a political, publicity stunt that he milked. Looking back on the grandiose display of virtue signaling just shows how pathetic and comicle the US is when it comes to this to stuff. React emotionally first. The demand for racism far outweighs the supply of racism.https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/1275542920972689409
Hunky Monster wrote: » Let’s say ONE of those players didn’t agree with these BLM protests. Let’s face it there probably is one. But the repercussions for that player should he not kneel or wear that jersey would be career suicide. The BLM movement is a leaderless mob of goons with no clear objective and they would absolutely destroy that player. His life would be over. And yet people continue to support it. It’s gotten to a point where you can’t disagree with it in any shape or form and not be labelled a racist/Nazi. Conversation is over. Debate is shut down. Agree or you’re against black people. If you don’t agree we will end your life. Sound lads really.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » White lives do matter. To say different makes you a racist
Rodney Bathgate wrote: » Read the opening post - you have been told it is racist by a boards moderator. Is that not enough for you?
tayto lover wrote: » Saw a statistic that the police in the US have killed far more whites than blacks. If this is so then how is it wrong to say that all lives matter?
Still waters wrote: » Is that not racist also Also i saw their goalie publicly condemn the banner, what a tool
Foxtrol wrote: » It is more like they're shouting 'my house is on fire' and there are a mix of people saying 'what about all houses' and 'well I don't believe you because of xyz', you seem to fall into the latter group. But you've ignored the multiple studies posted here and continue to cling to ones with incredibly shoddy data. And local police departments collect the data for those studies. In many (I believe a majority) of places police are not required to capture any/all data points and no audit is carried out. Pushing for systematic data gathering on use of force is one of the demands of protesters. They had an outsized impact because that is what gets clicks/viewers. Multiple large protests have taken in many cities every day since the murder of George Floyd and they fell completely off the national/international news. It highlights how poor the data is regarding police shootings. Given how it has been proven over the last few weeks that police officers have lied about incidents, despite knowing there was video evidence, how do you keep holding the belief that a) the data they have collected is accurate and/or b) that the missing data is not selectively left out (e.g., not filling out the race when POC are the deceased)? As above From what I've seen, you haven't once made any broader argument that there isn't systematic racism in the US. What you've instead done is find one flawed data point and hid behind it to prove they don't have a point. I've haven't seen you deal with the impact of slavery, segregation, education, wider policing issues, the bail system, etc etc. You're claiming that you are being gaslit but I don't see any evidence you've actually done anything to understand why they're saying that their house is on fire.
Sean.3516 wrote: » People are not objecting to the slogan because they don't agree with the slogan. I've said myself that I agree with the slogan. As I've said my issue with it is that when you march around chanting "black lives matter" you're implying that there are a whole bunch of people who think black lives don't matter. Nobody goes around chanting "the Earth is round" because most of us the agree that the Earth is round. By the way, I think the "All Lives Matter" thing is stupid for the same reasons you and others have stated. As I heard a comedian recently say it's like if your wife asked you "Honey, do you love me?" and you responding "Babe, I love EVERYBODY!"
I have none because I don't care if people fear being black. I care if people have a REASON to fear to fear being black.
The statistics I cited weren't from a local police department. They were from the US Department of Justice correct as of 2016 (when the Obama administration still ran that department.) But if you have any issues with flaws in stats I've cited you're welcome to point them out to me or cite your own.
I agree they were mostly peaceful, although the violent minority had an outsized impact (curfews were imposed on entire cities because of the violent minority) that was largely unreported by the media. That's why I was ridiculing the "mostly peaceful" thing in quotation marks.
Yes, more general stats on the fact blacks are disproportionately more likely to be shot by police none of which engages with the points I've raised which still stand.
Again, care to point out how it's flimsy? Or if you have stats that contradict mine, please show them to me.
Again, people aren't saying all lives matter because they disagree that black lives matter. They're annoyed at being gaslit and called racist because they disagree with the broader points the BLM makes like that Western societies are systemically racist etc. etc.
Rodney Bathgate wrote: » Pretty racist of the club. Would love to see the club taken to court to dispute the ban. Players forced to wear blm on their jerseys, but a wlm message is racist? Pull the other one.
Sean.3516 wrote: » People are not objecting to the slogan because they don't agree with the slogan. I've said myself that I agree with the slogan. As I've said my issue with it is that when you march around chanting "black lives matter" you're implying that there are a whole bunch of people who think black lives don't matter. Nobody goes around chanting "the Earth is round" because most of us the agree that the Earth is round. By the way, I think the "All Lives Matter" thing is stupid for the same reasons you and others have stated. As I heard a comedian recently say it's like if your wife asked you "Honey, do you love me?" and you responding "Babe, I love EVERYBODY!" I have none because I don't care if people fear being black. I care if people have a REASON to fear to fear being black. The statistics I cited weren't from a local police department. They were from the US Department of Justice correct as of 2016 (when the Obama administration still ran that department.) But if you have any issues with flaws in stats I've cited you're welcome to point them out to me or cite your own. I agree they were mostly peaceful, although the violent minority had an outsized impact (curfews were imposed on entire cities because of the violent minority) that was largely unreported by the media. That's why I was ridiculing the "mostly peaceful" thing in quotation marks. Yes, more general stats on the fact blacks are disproportionately more likely to be shot by police none of which engages with the points I've raised which still stand. Again, care to point out how it's flimsy? Or if you have stats that contradict mine, please show them to me. Again, people aren't saying all lives matter because they disagree that black lives matter. They're annoyed at being gaslit and called racist because they disagree with the broader points the BLM makes like that Western societies are systemically racist etc. etc.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Some Burley fans paid for a small aircraft to fly over Manchester city's Etihad stadium with a banner reading "White Lives Matter ". Burnley fc have said the fans responsible will be banned for life for the racist act
GSBellew wrote: » I'll contra that with the point that making the black v white distinction is in itself contrary to the concept of inclusiveness and is racist.
Foxtrol wrote: » How do you prefer someone describe people that don't believe they matter?
Foxtrol wrote: » Where is your evidence about fear being black?
Foxtrol wrote: » You're saying we should accept police stats when this is the press release they initially gave after Floyd was murdered.https://twitter.com/BrendanKeefe/status/1270458583625412608?s=20
Foxtrol wrote: » Again, any evidence that the protests weren't 'mostly peaceful'?
Foxtrol wrote: » There are dozens of papers on issues with race and policing in the states.https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z
Foxtrol wrote: » I'm sure I can dig up British reports on how Catholics were in no way mistreated - that is the flimsy evidence you're hiding behind.
Foxtrol wrote: » I don't see 99% of people agreeing with it, I see plenty of fragile folk coming out with WLM, ALM, BlueLM.
Sean.3516 wrote: » You literally said that the disproportionate crime statistics for blacks were evidence of over-policing. You said "go look at the closure rates for those crimes" implying that the fact that many crimes don't get solved means that the data is incomplete. So I cited the closure rates and pointed out your argument makes no sense and you accuse me of strawmannirg you. At some point you guys have to just deal with the fact that the data doesn't support your positions.
Hunky Monster wrote: » You do know you can google “is the earth flat” and you’ll get 100,000s of supporting articles. It doesn’t mean I believe it. If you look PURELY at the statistics on the policing of black people you’ll soon find out you’re wrong, very very wrong. Statistics.
Overheal wrote: » Stop playing the fool for a POC definition when you know who POC are. It’s pathetic. The clearance rate for murder is 62%, the highest clearance rate for all types of crime. But hey it’s not like we ever put innocent people away.
Overheal wrote: » When you’ve lost all other counter arguments accuse your better of losing all other arguments? Sad to see you lost!https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2018/10/12/policing/https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/02/california-police-black-stops-forcehttps://www.vox.com/2015/4/14/8411733/black-community-policing-crime
Overheal wrote: » You’re making your own straw men to fight with.
