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Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

iamstop

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

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Overheal wrote: »

In fact blacks are 2.5x more likely to be shot at by police than whites. So I’m not sure what misinformation you are trying to sow

Do you think levels of criminality might have anything to do with that?

Foxtrol

Hunky Monster wrote: »

You can also see the hysteria by those same people when someone files a “white lives matter” banner over a football ground. The shrieking and overreacting is amazing.

It should have been treated with laughter due to the embarrassing levels of fragility it showed from the people that paid for it, like anyone that uses that phrase of 'all lives matter'.

iamstop

I wonder how many people on here bashing the BLM movement know anything about COINTELPRO and realise that the exact same tactics they used against the Black Panthers is and has been employed against the BLM movement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

I know most people will not read up on it on the link I proved and still argue against it.

Foxtrol

Sean.3516 wrote: »

My objection to the slogan Black Lives Matter isn't that I disagree with the slogan. It's the implication of the slogan which is that there are a significant amount of people in western countries who believe black lives don't matter.

Though massively falling the number of people that the slogan infuriates seems pretty significant, including on this thread.

This is an absolute myth. The USA is not a racist country. The UK is not a racist country. Ireland is not a racist country. Are there racists in all three of those countries? Yes. But not enough that one should fear to be black.

Any statistical evidence to back up calling that 'a myth' regarding the US?

Worth saying that statistical analysis shows that blacks are not disproportionately shot by police in the US since that's what started all this rubbish off.

What started all this off was a man being murdered by 4 cops by being choked for 9 minutes while he begged for his life and them then being let walk free for several days.

Worried about racism? Try being black in one of the north eastern (arab populated) parts of Africa, or in the Middle East or Asia. Blacks are still systemically mistreated in this part go the world.

Ridiculous logic, that is like saying everyone should have stayed quiet about what the British did in the north because there were other people in the world more oppressed at the time.

Also the organisation Black Lives Matter is just awful in every way.

You can dislike an organisation, while supporting their point - see N.I., Palestine etc etc

Rodney Bathgate

Rodin wrote: »

Of course it's not voluntary.

Disgusting.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Sean.3516 wrote: »

My objection to the slogan Black Lives Matter isn't that I disagree with the slogan. It's the implication of the slogan which is that there are a significant amount of people in western countries who believe black lives don't matter.

This is an absolute myth. The USA is not a racist country. The UK is not a racist country. Ireland is not a racist country. Are there racists in all three of those countries? Yes. But not enough that one should fear to be black.

Worth saying that statistical analysis shows that blacks are not disproportionately shot by police in the US since that's what started all this rubbish off.

Worried about racism? Try being black in one of the north eastern (arab populated) parts of Africa, or in the Middle East or Asia. Blacks are still systemically mistreated in this part go the world.

This is an excellent post.

I’m the same. I do not disagree with the slogan “black lives matter” in fact, how could you argue against it? If you accept those words at face value it’s a great message. My problem is the group it’s attached to. The “BLM” movement.

You can also see the hysteria by those same people when someone files a “white lives matter” banner over a football ground. The shrieking and overreacting is amazing.

Rodney Bathgate

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

^^

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275029296290168834

Nothing to see here. The alleged perpetrator is a person of colour. By definition he cannot be racist.

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

My objection to the slogan Black Lives Matter isn't that I disagree with the slogan. It's the implication of the slogan which is that there are a significant amount of people in western countries who believe black lives don't matter.

This is an absolute myth. The USA is not a racist country. The UK is not a racist country. Ireland is not a racist country. Are there racists in all three of those countries? Yes. But not enough that one should fear to be black.

Worth saying that statistical analysis shows that blacks are not disproportionately shot by police in the US since that's what started all this rubbish off.

Worried about racism? Try being black in one of the north eastern (arab populated) parts of Africa, or in the Middle East or Asia. Blacks are still systemically mistreated in this part go the world.

In fact blacks are 2.5x more likely to be shot at by police than whites. So I’m not sure what misinformation you are trying to sow

Sean.3516

My objection to the slogan Black Lives Matter isn't that I disagree with the slogan. It's the implication of the slogan which is that there are a significant amount of people in western countries who believe black lives don't matter.

This is an absolute myth. The USA is not a racist country. The UK is not a racist country. Ireland is not a racist country. Are there racists in all three of those countries? Yes. But not enough that one should fear to be black.

Worth saying that statistical analysis shows that blacks are not disproportionately shot by police in the US since that's what started all this rubbish off.

Worried about racism? Try being black in one of the north eastern (arab populated) parts of Africa, or in the Middle East or Asia. Blacks are still systemically mistreated in this part go the world.

Also the organisation Black Lives Matter is just awful in every way.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Overheal wrote: »

No? I want to know when white people were ever oppressed by people of color?

Is this your way of accepting that, they never were? BCE Egypt, maybe? No real period of the Common Era?

You’re always on here giving time limits on things. You were the same in the gone with the wind ban thread. Everything is a time limit...so here’s one for you. What race is responsible for the modern slave trade RIGHT NOW?

If you had half an idea you’d know that not all white people are responsible for a few who dealt in the slave trade a few hundred years ago and that whites were bought and sold and more often than not treated far worse. The Irish were treated far worse than black slaves because they were worth a fraction of the price.

But none of that matters to you. You have these blinkers on, white bad, black man good, black lives matter, anyone who thinks otherwise = racist. You’re always the first one on here banging on about looking up the history books, do us all a favour and look up the history yourself.

DelaneyIn

Police have said no criminal offence took place when a banner reading “White Lives Matter Burnley” was towed past the stadium by an aircraft during Monday night’s Premier League game between Manchester City and Burnley.

The incident “caused offence to many people in Lancashire and beyond”, a senior officer said on Tuesday, as the stunt was blamed on individuals from a group of football hooligans connected with Burnley.

However, Lancashire police said that after assessing all the information available surrounding the incident, the force had concluded “that there are no criminal offences that have been disclosed at this time”.

“We will continue to work with our partners at the football club and within the local authority,” added Ch Supt Russ Procter.

The force said it had liaised with Greater Manchester police, the Aviation Authority and the Crown Prosecution Service over the course of the day.

The banner was trailed in the sky above the Etihad Stadium in Manchester moments after players and staff had taken a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/23/police-to-investigate-burnley-white-lives-matter-aircraft-banner

Black Lives Matter: Police get on their knees.
White Lives Matter: Police investigate hate crime.

AbusesToilets

Overheal wrote: »

It has meaning, which you can argue in a forum about semantics I guess. You don’t have a question for me; you clearly already have the answer to it.

You mentioned, in the context of "white" people being oppressed. So, what does that mean? Surely you define that, given it's basis for your argument here?

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

No, I would argue it's an empty, utterly meaningless term. Hence my question to you.

It has meaning, which you can argue in a forum about semantics I guess. You don’t have a question for me; you clearly already have the answer to it.

Overheal

Akesh wrote: »

What is the point of his question so if all white people aren't the same?

Overheal is just trying to tell us white people are bad. We get it.

Some people have a serious issue with warped altruism.

No? I want to know when white people were ever oppressed by people of color?

Is this your way of accepting that, they never were? BCE Egypt, maybe? No real period of the Common Era?

AbusesToilets

Overheal wrote: »

Common knowledge. You’ll figure it out.

No, I would argue it's an empty, utterly meaningless term. Hence my question to you.

Rodin

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Is the jersey name thing voluntary for the footballers?

Any footballer brave enough to stand up against this will be branded a racist and be hounded by leftists.

Of course it's not voluntary.

2u2me

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Oppression is oppression. Being oppressed for your skin colour doesn't place you higher on the pedestal than someone being oppressed for their ethnicity.

That's the whole point of hate crimes, to flip justice on it's head. It's why so many people are so utterly confused at this most simple of concepts.

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

What's a person of colour?

Common knowledge. You’ll figure it out.

joe40

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Oppression is oppression. Being oppressed for your skin colour doesn't place you higher on the pedestal than someone being oppressed for their ethnicity.

I know that, I'm not disagreeing.

The way Irish were portrayed as sub human was similar to how blacks were portrayed, or jews were portrayed by Nazis.

Akesh

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Oppression is oppression. Being oppressed for your skin colour doesn't place you higher on the pedestal than someone being oppressed for their ethnicity.

It does if you're the type of person who subscribes to critical theory and don't believe in facts.

Of course you're correct, but don't expect the asylum to grasp it.

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Oppression is oppression. Being oppressed for your skin colour doesn't place you higher on the pedestal than someone being oppressed for their ethnicity.

^ Desperately dancing around the issue!

AbusesToilets

Overheal wrote: »

Blacks aren’t the same either... :rolleyes:

When were whites oppressed by people of color in western civilization?

What's a person of colour?

AbusesToilets

Overheal wrote: »

And Jesus wasn’t white

He wasn't black either. He likely looked close to semetic peoples from modern times, ie the Jews and Palestinians, who are closer to white than Black. They're a solidly Levantine looking people, like most living around the Mediterranean.

joe40

Akesh wrote: »

Oh, that makes it ok so! White people aren't all the same, you do realise that?

Warped logic.

Of course it doesn't make it ok and of course white people aren't the same.
How could you possibly imply that was what I meant.

Overheal

Akesh wrote: »

Oh, that makes it ok so! White people aren't all the same, you do realise that?

Warped logic.

Blacks aren’t the same either... :rolleyes:

When were whites oppressed by people of color in western civilization?

AbusesToilets

joe40 wrote: »

They were oppressed for been Irish, not for been White.

I think the poster meant oppressed for being white. There is a distinction.

Oppression is oppression. Being oppressed for your skin colour doesn't place you higher on the pedestal than someone being oppressed for their ethnicity.

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Is that a serious question? Jesus wept

And Jesus wasn’t white

joe40

Akesh wrote: »

Are you seriously asking that question on an Irish website? A 5 year old could answer that question for you.

They were oppressed for been Irish, not for been White.

I think the poster meant oppressed for being white. There is a distinction.

Akesh

Overheal wrote: »

When were whites oppressed in western civilization?

Are you seriously asking that question on an Irish website? A 5 year old could answer that question for you.

AbusesToilets

Overheal wrote: »

When were whites oppressed in western civilization?

Is that a serious question? Jesus wept