gormdubhgorm wrote: » I bet you could say what defines you as British, language English - The Royals - British culture.
munsterlegend wrote: » A Scottish independence vote is more likely in the short term than a border poll. It will prove impossible to ignore a democratically elected party with a large majority constantly seeking one.
downcow wrote: » The question was very clear. Do you accept the levels of collusion that was going on between the British military the IRA? And how do you feel when the dogs in the street know that many of those who remained at the top and on power in the Republican movement were the payment of the British military? And of course all those in power knew it?
downcow wrote: » Sounds like the same to me Francie. I am pretty sure if you could, you would
FrancieBrady wrote: » Your 'sample' is tiny in the scale of things. To the point of ridiculousness. I am Irish, I don't need to describe it or defend it to you gormdubh...which is slightly different to 'cannot define his Irishness'.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I am Irish, I don't need to describe it or defend it to you gormdubh...which is slightly different to 'cannot define his Irishness'.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » But this is the point I am making the fellas I mentioned sole identity of Irishness seems to be how much they have to say they hate the Brits - UI etc. I have some sympathy for the likes of poster Francie Brady wanting a UI. Border county - background and so on. Even though he cannot define his sense of Irishness. But those fecking eejit's of 'Republican's' from Dublin with thier Man Utd tattoo's etc. Zero sense of irony and zero thought's on the practicalities of a UI and what it would actually mean. Just wanting to appear like hardshaws. From my perspective the basis of all culture begins with language. A turn of phrase that you would never hear in English really gets into the mind of a people. Yet most of the knuckle draggers Irish Republican Dubs (for example) prefer to base it on a line on a map. Much easier to crow about that for them. I have zero respect for them.
Hamsterchops wrote: » From a Southern media perspective, all island unification is like an unstoppable juggernaut, fuelled with republican diesel (Sinn Fein) which cannot be slowed down or stopped...... So if there isn't a "United" Ireland by the end of this decade I'd be amazed, that is, if all the talk and hyoe is to be believed. With the ever dwindling Unionist population in a nose dive and with the booming Nationalist population on the up and up, how long can it be before NI votes to leave the United Kingdom? Wonder what the (unbiased) thoughts are from up North. Yes we know the Shinners will Big-up a United Ireland at any chance, and Unionists will dismiss it without even blinking an eye, but I wonder what the reality is?
jm08 wrote: » I think you are reading too much into how working class Dubs think. Who cares if they refer to their English soccer team as 'we'. They are frequently accused of being glory hunters by supporting only the top teams like ManU & Liverpool. Many of them would also have Spanish teams as well. Does Mick Wallace supporting Juventus make him any less of an Irishman bearing in mind that he funds Wexford Youths? Seriously, support for a soccer team or liking a particular band even though they are British doesn't make you less Irish. You seem to define Irishness on how how you like/dislike British/English. Rather like loyalists in NI whose whole identity seems to be based on how much they hate Irish people.
Fionn1952 wrote: » ....except I did answer your question. You didn't like that the answer didn't give you any grounds to hark on about how oppressed you are, so you skipped past it. It's funny how often you claim, 'no one' has answered one of your questions when the reply you receive doesn't fit in with the wee pre-planned debate points you've worked out.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I am also of the opinion that many supporters of those calling for border poll (in the ROI) identify more with British culture than Irish culture - in thier day to day lives. It seems they only want a UI just to sound Irish. Paying for this is also a practical concern - it cannot be all aspirational. Plus the last I heard the troubles were over?
Randy Archer wrote: » Jamie Heaslip was born in Israel , while his FATHER , an officer in the IRISH Army was stationed over there , serving the UN on the State . Under Irish law , there’s absolutely zero question as to Jamie’s nationality , you space cadet Stop talking about Ill informed rubbish for once Our LAWS and Not geography dictates nationality . A child born to Nigerian parents , in Ireland in 2020 does not automatically mean he or she is Irish at all
gormdubhgorm wrote: » ... either as many who are born on this island view themselves as British and identify as such. Just because it is an island does not simply mean that they are the same Irish as you would term yourself. It hardly helps the unionist beleif that they would be included in a UI does it? Which is why I think Commonwealth should be considered as an option to create a UI.
Randy Archer wrote: » The reason you don’t respond is because you haven’t a clue . You are way out of your league ! You ain’t man enough . Your argument gets ripped to pieces just like every Shinner when they talk economics . Go back to singing rebel songs and stopping leading the gullible like Blaaz / runaway into thinking you have a clue Spare us the bull**** attempt to take the high ground and play the victim . Glossing over posts ? Picking bits ? Lol ! What actually taking everything what you said word for word . Waffler, you can’t even point out what I said that was unfair or wrong You had your chance to stand your ground and you choked. Nordies like you , no wonder Southeners don’t and can’t take ye seriously . Back into your lane Stop crying . Get a new hobby. 16 hours a day posting on the same topic and talking nonsense is not healthy
FrancieBrady wrote: » If it says on his birth cert that he was born in Israel...then yes, he is. Is Andy Townsend English? Yes he is, of Irish parents...because they were born on the island of Ireland. It isn't a threat or an impediment...just a fact of geography. This island is called Ireland, when that changes so also will birthplaces.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The reason nobody engages with you Randy are all in the above post. Stop glossing over posts and picking out bits of them that you can use as invective. I have said a lot more than 'I'm alright Jack'.
Yeah_Right wrote: » Is Jamie Heaslip Israeli? According to Francie he is.
maccored wrote: » I think thats a very very simplistic view of it. It cannot be a case of the south buying in the north. thats just stupid and a very lazy way to think of it. SF have asked for nationwide discussions to figure out what do we want as a country - thats the first step ... not waffling on about paying for security Also, you may as well say as 'Im alright Jack, i never had to deal with any of the consequences of what was happening so i dont give a **** about those who did and still do'. if thats the case dont bother interacting in threads about the north
Randy Archer wrote: » YOU are the person making the claims , yet after several calls from me and several others , you flat out refuse to explain them or even give specifics . It’s for YOU and especially when you now reclaim that you made these “arguments” to back them up But ,nah, feign ignorance (well, you won’t be faking it )and ignore what has being put to you , is more your style . Shinners trained you well It was even pointed out that our Taoiseach and our retail sector were crying about lads going over the boarder for shopping . It was pointed out that civil service on both sides will get the chop . All counties will be fighting for grants etc but your best cry was “I’m alright jack”
Hamsterchops wrote: » From a Southern media perspective, all island unification is like an unstoppable juggernaut fuelled with republican diesel (Sinn Fein) which cannot be slowed down or stopped...... So if there isn't a "United" Ireland by the end of this decade I'd be amazed, that is, if all the talk and hyoe is to be believed. With the ever dwindling Unionist population in s nose dive and with the booming Nationalist population on the up and up, how long can it be before NI votes to leave the United Kingdom? Wonder what the (unbiased) thoughts are from up North. Yes we know the Shinners will Big-up a United Ireland at any chance, and Unionists will dismiss it without even blinking an eye, but I wonder what the reality is?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It means many working class Dublin people who profess to be Republicans - Have little or no Irish - only speak English, are immersed in British music, entertainment shows, and say 'we' for British soccer teams. Yet this are the types who like to be seen to be calling for a UI as it is thier only form that they are able to express perceived 'Irishness' in front of peers. Hypocritical in my view.
munsterlegend wrote: » The clue is in Irish rugby players.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where's your figures Randy? Never seen you offer any, just plenty of invective and insults.
munsterlegend wrote: » Might not be the same Irish but a different strand of it. Plenty countries have outside cultural influences. We still have our own unique Irish music culture or maybe you don’t get out of Dublin enough. Look at every gaa pitch in Ireland at the weekend ( outside of Covid) playing a native game filled with children. Very few countries have a native game outside of football that is thriving like gaa is. The cùl camp is full to capacity every summer.
