BonnieSituation wrote: » Your entire circular argument seems to just boil down to, it might be hard and sure Nationalist aspirations aren't as valuable as Unionists' let's rejoin the Commonwealth for no apparent reason.
BonnieSituation wrote: » And the rest of my post? It's necessary to state opinions vs statements of fact. Your posting style lends itself to possibly being interpreted as something which is fact. It's important not to mix the two you would think.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You seemed to be very wound up all together about it. As I said it does not effect me I am comfortable in my sense of Irishness. I don't need to be anti-English or hate the Brits to be Irish, or whinge about a line on a map that is hundreds of miles away from where I live. I'm grand. Simple as that. I can see Francie Brady's logic in wanting to change the lines on a map. He was reared on it, could see nothing else, lived beside it. But it is not going effect people in Dublin/Cork/Kerry etc besides having to pay more taxes to fund another 6 counties - pay for security etc etc.
BonnieSituation wrote: » But you built this strawman on the back of no one giving a crap about your WUM-ing post about Mr Storey. And you're still peddling it. Honestly, does it not concern you that the tacit withdrawals from the AIA to the DSD to the GFA not make you want to embrace a brighter future away from the ones who spurn you? Unrequited love is a terrible thing.
maccored wrote: » I think thats a very very simplistic view of it. It cannot be a case of the south buying in the north. thats just stupid and a very lazy way to think of it. SF have asked for nationwide discussions to figure out what do we want as a country - thats the first step ... not waffling on about paying for security Also, you may as well say as 'Im alright Jack, i never had to deal with any of the consequences of what was happening so i dont give a **** about those who did and still do'. if thats the case dont bother interacting in threads about the north
FrancieBrady wrote: » You know what to do then...vote against it.I have given multiple reasons why I think it is a good idea. I will be voting for it.
Yeah_Right wrote: » Really??? I have read through the 2 threads on this topic and haven't seen that. Well apart from the rainbows and leprechaun "feelings" type of reasons. Could you put up a link to the posts that have multiple well-thought out reasons (that aren't based on emotion) why a UI is a good idea.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Exactly. He could not tell me what Irishness is to him. Which to me seems to be a key tenet of the whole border poll/UI issue (for those of similar persuasion to Francie in particular)
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I am also of the opinion that many supporters of those calling for border poll (in the ROI) identify more with British culture than Irish culture - in thier day to day lives. It seems they only want a UI just to sound Irish. Paying for this is also a practical concern - it cannot be all aspirational. Plus the last I heard the troubles were over?
downcow wrote: » It’s quite funny actually how you will do anything other than answer the question. When I think of the range questions that were/are posed at me, and the endless harking back to ‘loyalist collusion’, British oppression, etc, etc; and suddenly you want this thread to be only about the future in its purest sense. I smell a rat. But sure the very fact no one will answer the question, is a pretty solid answer in itself
jm08 wrote: » When you say 'identify with British culture than Irish culture' what do you mean? |That they like soccer, but don't like hurling? Or hate Irish dancing, but love English folk dancing? Can't stand Yeats, but love Wordsworth? Think Newgrange is crap, but Stonehenge is the business? You much prefer 'Swing Low' to the The Fields of Athenry?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'm Irish gormdubh...so are you, so are all those born on this island of Ireland
Yeah_Right wrote: » Come on. We're not going to go down this rabbit hole again. I have already proven to you (and others) that this statement is wrong. I even used Irish rugby players to show you how stupid a blanket statement like that was.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Not true either as many who are born on this island view themselves as British and identify as such. Just because it is an island does not simply mean that they are the same Irish as you would term yourself. It hardly helps the unionist beleif that they would be included in a UI does it? Which is why I think Commonwealth should be considered as an option to create a UI.
munsterlegend wrote: » The clue is in Irish rugby players.
munsterlegend wrote: » Might not be the same Irish but a different strand of it. Plenty countries have outside cultural influences. We still have our own unique Irish music culture or maybe you don’t get out of Dublin enough. Look at every gaa pitch in Ireland at the weekend ( outside of Covid) playing a native game filled with children. Very few countries have a native game outside of football that is thriving like gaa is. The cùl camp is full to capacity every summer.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where's your figures Randy? Never seen you offer any, just plenty of invective and insults.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It means many working class Dublin people who profess to be Republicans - Have little or no Irish - only speak English, are immersed in British music, entertainment shows, and say 'we' for British soccer teams. Yet this are the types who like to be seen to be calling for a UI as it is thier only form that they are able to express perceived 'Irishness' in front of peers. Hypocritical in my view.
Hamsterchops wrote: » From a Southern media perspective, all island unification is like an unstoppable juggernaut fuelled with republican diesel (Sinn Fein) which cannot be slowed down or stopped...... So if there isn't a "United" Ireland by the end of this decade I'd be amazed, that is, if all the talk and hyoe is to be believed. With the ever dwindling Unionist population in s nose dive and with the booming Nationalist population on the up and up, how long can it be before NI votes to leave the United Kingdom? Wonder what the (unbiased) thoughts are from up North. Yes we know the Shinners will Big-up a United Ireland at any chance, and Unionists will dismiss it without even blinking an eye, but I wonder what the reality is?
Randy Archer wrote: » YOU are the person making the claims , yet after several calls from me and several others , you flat out refuse to explain them or even give specifics . It’s for YOU and especially when you now reclaim that you made these “arguments” to back them up But ,nah, feign ignorance (well, you won’t be faking it )and ignore what has being put to you , is more your style . Shinners trained you well It was even pointed out that our Taoiseach and our retail sector were crying about lads going over the boarder for shopping . It was pointed out that civil service on both sides will get the chop . All counties will be fighting for grants etc but your best cry was “I’m alright jack”
Yeah_Right wrote: » Is Jamie Heaslip Israeli? According to Francie he is.
