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Why is Ireland lagging behind the world in cannabis legalisation / decriminalisation?

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

Recreational cannabis should be fully decriminalised and made available to any adult over 18 like the Netherlands and the vintners should have zero say in it.

Cannabis is no more a "gateway" drug than booze is. Besides, cannabis gives a different "high" than cocaine, benzos etc. So the "gateway" argument is bullshit.

The Netherlands is no more or less functional as a society than we are and regulating the source of it will remove the criminality.

A good chunk of the world and even certain US states have either opted for partial decriminalisation or full legalisation. The fact that a young lad or girl can end up with a lifelong conviction for smoking a joint is despicable.

Alcohol caused far more societal problems. People don't eject from coffeeshops beating each other up, vandalising property and assaulting their husbands and wives.

Cannabis legalisation would decimate alcohol industry.

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nice bit of green

So, am not a regular contributor to this forum but what’s the ballpark amount of pages a thread needs before we get things legalised?

Wanderer78

nice bit of green wrote: »

So, am not a regular contributor to this forum but what’s the ballpark amount of pages a thread needs before we get things legalised?

best of luck

kingtiger

I have to buy cannabis online illegally for my mothers rheumatoid arthritis

The cannabinoids I purchase with a ratio of equal parts CBD to THC (1:1), she says its the only thing that gives her great relief from her symptoms without taking powerful painkillers, but yet its still illegal for me to purchase due to people's ignorance, which is displayed quite brilliantly on this thread

Perhaps some of the "drugs are bad" brigade should do some research instead of spouting the same outdated propaganda and misinformation since the 1930s

There is a lot more to Cannabis, than the same old stereotypes trotted out everytime legalisation is mentioned

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

I have to buy cannabis online illegally for my mothers rheumatoid arthritis

The cannabinoids I purchase with a ratio of equal parts CBD to THC (1:1), she says its the only thing that gives her great relief from her symptoms without taking powerful painkillers, but yet its still illegal for me to purchase due to people's ignorance, which is displayed quite brilliantly on this thread

Perhaps some of the "drugs are bad" brigade should do some research instead of spouting the same outdated propaganda and misinformation since the 1930s

There is a lot more to Cannabis, than the same old stereotypes trotted out everytime legalisation is mentioned

drugs generally are bad for peoples well being

kingtiger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

drugs generally are bad for peoples well being

sugar is bad for your well being, so what's your point?

ladystardust

Wanderer78 wrote: »

drugs generally are bad for peoples well being

Well that statement is just demonstrably incorrect. Medicines are drugs. All of which come with risk. Paracetamol is incredibly easy to overdose on and can have irreversible side effects of same. However, I know what you mean. This is also not necessarily true. There is an inherent social bias that comes from a long line of propaganda which was mostly to do with politics. See 'reefer madness'. Interestinhly LSD has been shown to be extremely effective and efficacious in the treatment of severe depression. I dont know why this is any worse than zapping electricity into someone's brain. But its illegal, therefore, not an option.

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

sugar is bad for your well being, so what's your point?

so are a lot of food ingredients, excessive work, nicotine, lack of regular exercise, excessive eating etc etc, weed isnt a wonder drug, it can be very harmful

Wanderer78

ladystardust wrote: »

Well that statement is just demonstrably incorrect. Medicines are drugs. All of which come with risk. Paracetamol is incredibly easy to overdose on and can have irreversible side effects of same. However, I know what you mean. This is also not necessarily true. There is an inherent social bias that comes from a long line of propaganda which was mostly to do with politics. See 'reefer madness'. Interestinhly LSD has been shown to be extremely effective and efficacious in the treatment of severe depression. I dont know why this is any worse than zapping electricity into someone's brain. But its illegal, therefore, not an option.

i suffer with depression and anxiety, and not a hope in hell would i consider consuming illegal drugs or would i advise it to treat such issues, yes pharmaceutical drugs can be harmful, but there is a process in place to limit its harm

Fracture

kowloonkev wrote: »

But it's still the logical thinking, rather than legalizing new harmful substances just because other harmful substances are already legal.

Childish whataboutism is no better.

Human beings have always enjoyed taking substances like alcohol, mushrooms, cannabis etc for thousands of years, some arseholes who don't agree with it shouldn't be able to dictate to others if they are allowed to use it or not, especially when said arseholes enjoy substances such as alcohol.

The "childish whataboutism" in this case is merely pointing out the hypocrisy.

Alcohol is a strong substance, most people can handle it perfectly fine and enjoy it while a minority can't, that doesn't mean it should be banned and your point is stupid nonsense. If you don't want to use cannabis or drink alcohol then don't bother with it and mind your own business.

kingtiger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

weed isnt a wonder drug, it can be very harmful

in my Mother's case, yes it very much is

or would you prefer she takes prescribed painkillers that are slowly killing her?

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i suffer with depression and anxiety, and not a hope in hell would i consider consuming illegal drugs or would i advise it to treat such issues

Did you ever ask yourself why weed is illegal? or even look up the wealth of information on the subject?

Here is some information from the canadian government

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/topics/cannabis-for-medical-purposes.html

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

in my Mother's case, yes it very much is

or would you prefer she takes prescribed painkillers that are slowly killing her?

if it works for her, go for it, maybe she can try other alternatives such as apple cider vinegar and yoga etc, might help. pharmaceutical drugs have limits also, and long term use can also be dangerous

kingtiger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

apple cider vinegar and yoga etc

jasus, do you even know what rheumatoid arthritis is like?

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

in my Mother's case, yes it very much is

or would you prefer she takes prescribed painkillers that are slowly killing her?

Did you ever ask yourself why weed is illegal? or even look up the wealth of information on the subject?

Here is some information from the canadian government

thanks, but ive little or no interest in reading so, a better approach would be to legalise it like other addictive substances, implementing safety measures for its continuous use, but be aware, legislation will not solve all the issues with it, and would in fact introduce its only problems, some complex and dangerous, leading to deaths and life long issues.

kingtiger wrote: »

jasus, do you even know what rheumatoid arthritis is like?

yes, family members had/have it, ive mild arthritis myself

kingtiger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thanks, but ive little or no interest in reading sof

enough said

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

enough said

great, please tell us why its illegal?

kingtiger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

great, please tell us why its illegal?

Here you go

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

Here you go

thanks, i ll go about my day, i ll be interested in engaging in a sensible mature conversation if you re willing

kingtiger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thanks, i ll go about my day, i ll be interested in engaging in a sensible mature conversation if you re willing

I will be waiting, have a read and come back with your thoughts

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

I will be waiting, have a read and come back with your thoughts

i wont be able to read it, sorry

kingtiger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i wont be able to read it, sorry

but if you are not informed, how can we have this mature conversation?

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

but if you are not informed, how can we have this mature conversation?

i believe im reasonably well informed, i certainly have my own opinions on the matter

maccored

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Tis is me bollocks

yes, it is less harmful than alcohol. its non addictive for a start. you dont get the shakes if you stop smoking - you'll be pissed off for a few days but thats about it.

Wanderer78

maccored wrote: »

yes, it is less harmful than alcohol. its non addictive for a start. you dont get the shakes if you stop smoking - you'll be pissed off for a few days but thats about it.

again, tis in me bollocks!

maccored

Wanderer78 wrote: »

again, tis in me bollocks!

are you telling me it is? Do you know what addiction means?

Theres a thing called use disorder when people feel they are dependent on it. Restrict access or dont let them at the stuff for a few days and the dependency gone. Alcohol isnt like that if you are addicted to it

Wanderer78

maccored wrote: »

are you telling me it is? Do you know what addiction means?

yes its addictive, i know some people that have been addicted to it for many decades, including family members. shur go on, please explain what addiction is?

kingtiger

maccored wrote: »

are you telling me it is? Do you know what addiction means?

there is no point debating with someone who wont inform themselves on the subject they are arguing about

Just let them wallow in ignorance

maccored

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yes its addictive, i know some people that have been addicted to it for many decades, including family members. shur go on, please explain what addiction is?

and what happens when they stop? get ill, have the shakes, vomit? No - they are in a bad mood. a few days later they'll be in a better one.

Wanderer78

maccored wrote: »

are you telling me it is? Do you know what addiction means?

Theres a thing called use disorder when people feel they are dependent on it. Restrict access or dont let them at the stuff for a few days and its gone. Alcohol isnt like that if you are addicted to it

or keep them out of jail and offer them health based services that will help them with their addiction problems and any other complicated disorders that they may have, jail is bloody expensive, doesnt really solve many complex social issues, in fact exasperates many

maccored

kingtiger wrote: »

there is no point debating with someone who wont inform themselves on the subject they are arguing about

Just let them wallow in ignorance

its because of that ignorance that people are getting locked up for having a few grams of smoke, when more serious criminals could be spending longer in the slammer

Wanderer78

kingtiger wrote: »

there is no point debating with someone who wont inform themselves on the subject they are arguing about

Just let them wallow in ignorance

hahaha, no bother lads