gormdubhgorm wrote: » Not true either as many who are born on this island view themselves as British and identify as such. Just because it is an island does not simply mean that they are the same Irish as you would term yourself. It hardly helps the unionist beleif that they would be included in a UI does it? Which is why I think Commonwealth should be considered as an option to create a UI.
munsterlegend wrote: » The clue is in Irish rugby players.
Yeah_Right wrote: » Come on. We're not going to go down this rabbit hole again. I have already proven to you (and others) that this statement is wrong. I even used Irish rugby players to show you how stupid a blanket statement like that was.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'm Irish gormdubh...so are you, so are all those born on this island of Ireland
jm08 wrote: » When you say 'identify with British culture than Irish culture' what do you mean? |That they like soccer, but don't like hurling? Or hate Irish dancing, but love English folk dancing? Can't stand Yeats, but love Wordsworth? Think Newgrange is crap, but Stonehenge is the business? You much prefer 'Swing Low' to the The Fields of Athenry?
downcow wrote: » It’s quite funny actually how you will do anything other than answer the question. When I think of the range questions that were/are posed at me, and the endless harking back to ‘loyalist collusion’, British oppression, etc, etc; and suddenly you want this thread to be only about the future in its purest sense. I smell a rat. But sure the very fact no one will answer the question, is a pretty solid answer in itself
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I am also of the opinion that many supporters of those calling for border poll (in the ROI) identify more with British culture than Irish culture - in thier day to day lives. It seems they only want a UI just to sound Irish. Paying for this is also a practical concern - it cannot be all aspirational. Plus the last I heard the troubles were over?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Exactly. He could not tell me what Irishness is to him. Which to me seems to be a key tenet of the whole border poll/UI issue (for those of similar persuasion to Francie in particular)
Yeah_Right wrote: » Really??? I have read through the 2 threads on this topic and haven't seen that. Well apart from the rainbows and leprechaun "feelings" type of reasons. Could you put up a link to the posts that have multiple well-thought out reasons (that aren't based on emotion) why a UI is a good idea.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You know what to do then...vote against it.I have given multiple reasons why I think it is a good idea. I will be voting for it.
maccored wrote: » I think thats a very very simplistic view of it. It cannot be a case of the south buying in the north. thats just stupid and a very lazy way to think of it. SF have asked for nationwide discussions to figure out what do we want as a country - thats the first step ... not waffling on about paying for security Also, you may as well say as 'Im alright Jack, i never had to deal with any of the consequences of what was happening so i dont give a **** about those who did and still do'. if thats the case dont bother interacting in threads about the north
BonnieSituation wrote: » But you built this strawman on the back of no one giving a crap about your WUM-ing post about Mr Storey. And you're still peddling it. Honestly, does it not concern you that the tacit withdrawals from the AIA to the DSD to the GFA not make you want to embrace a brighter future away from the ones who spurn you? Unrequited love is a terrible thing.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You seemed to be very wound up all together about it. As I said it does not effect me I am comfortable in my sense of Irishness. I don't need to be anti-English or hate the Brits to be Irish, or whinge about a line on a map that is hundreds of miles away from where I live. I'm grand. Simple as that. I can see Francie Brady's logic in wanting to change the lines on a map. He was reared on it, could see nothing else, lived beside it. But it is not going effect people in Dublin/Cork/Kerry etc besides having to pay more taxes to fund another 6 counties - pay for security etc etc.
BonnieSituation wrote: » And the rest of my post? It's necessary to state opinions vs statements of fact. Your posting style lends itself to possibly being interpreted as something which is fact. It's important not to mix the two you would think.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Your entire circular argument seems to just boil down to, it might be hard and sure Nationalist aspirations aren't as valuable as Unionists' let's rejoin the Commonwealth for no apparent reason.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Obviously they are my opinions just as you give yours. I feel it is not necessary to state as that is the very nature of boards.ie.
BonnieSituation wrote: » "In your opinion..."
Randy Archer wrote: » Have you **** ! Vague and completely unsupported air farts about the economy that you refused to back up . Views that you have zero qualification to make. Typical simplistic council estate rubbish you get from all barstoolers
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I can understand your logic you see given your family background. And the atmosphere in a border county during the troubles. There is always going to be a few like that. So voting for a UI is not seen a choice but a birthright. But as Dublin person who who used to just say I was for a UI without really thinking it through. I feel the issue is much more complex than either side of the border likes to paint it. Plus it will only stir up a hornets nest. Not worth it. If SF had some balls they would consider a commonwealth option as a move towards a UI then it could be the start of something.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You know what to do then...vote against it. I have given multiple reasons why I think it is a good idea. I will be voting for it.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is not hypocritical I am realistic to know those counties were formed by the British - so they made GAA counties possible.https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/geographical-loyalty-counties-palatinates-boroughs-and-ridings/ As for THE line on the map makes no odds, it is just in your head really. There is no border checkpoints any more.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Does bother me either way - once people are not killing each other. Besides the Brexit argument which is recent. I cannot see a good argument for a UI. The logic just seemed to be it is an island it should be united...just because. When the reality is it was the IRA who caused partition in the first place. If there was no 1916. Ireland would probably be United now with its own self governance in The Commonwealth. Plus the only people to have ever United Ireland in history was the British. Before them it was a series of clans with plots of land. Not a nation.
BonnieSituation wrote: » You say you don't care about lines on a map and yet you're a Dublin GAA supporter? Surely that's hypocritical given the very essence of the organisation of the GAA are lines on a map, whether counties or parishes. --- Some of us do care about the lines on a map. They matter. And you can campaign against reunification when the day comes.
