karlitob wrote: » Stop taking about what you don’t know. Chartered physiotherapists do not have ‘extremely limited’ hands on skills. That’s a ridiculous and stupid statement all in one. We practice evidence-based treatment. Not like the quacks who do a weekend course and all of a sudden guess what every patient gets for treatment on Monday morning. Look back on what you said - ‘I cant hold a candle to physios’ on anatomy etc. You’ve just said that you have limited knowledge of anatomy and physiology yet for some reason can apply treatments based on anatomy and physiology to patients. If you can’t diagnose a patient how can you treat them. If you aren’t a ‘uni-based physio’ (in fact you’re not a physio at all as you’re not Coru registered) how do you know what the course syllabus. What muscle ‘shock’ component? Cupping?
Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: » So, I'm to assume you're a registered physio under Coru? You qualified in what year? Let's just skip over the cert vs degree physical therapist debate for a moment.... Your undergrad physio qualification, assuming it was completed in Ireland? (either TCD, RCSI, UL or UCD presumably). Work load/intensity, how would you have rated it? Of course every student is different but, would you say much like the description of pharmacy undergrad, 9 to 5 was for lectures and tutorials, evenings and weekends was for study? I mean naturally there's some study during that time period but, I'm mean is it all consuming as the pharmacy undergrad has been described as being? I stress again, extra-curricular time is simply something that I can't afford to compromise hugely - thus getting insights into just how intense these programs are is of course important. So, the fact I advertise and practice as an MSK therapist despite no iscp membership or coru registration, I mean, it is what is; but overlooking that for the moment to focus answers specifically on what constitutes a physiotherapy undergrad....? Cause getting perspective here is basically the objective.
Iodine1 wrote: » I don't think you should do either as you are clearly not interested in the actual, you are just looking for a handy number. Do follow something that you are interested in, and it will be easier, and the hours won't matter.
Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: » Well it's actually the opposite, I've an overwhelming interest in both, in particular cellular function as regard innervation and gene expression, which dictates MSK well being, long term neurological well being, is basically the entire focus of pharmacological drug therapeutics both historical and future based treatments - most specifically more contemporary intra-cellular effectors - and most importantly, I unquestionably believe that whilst medicinal chemistry and pharmaceutical based therapeutics provide untold relief, long term cellular optimization will be found in a modality thus far not even explored. Sorry for that mouthful but, what I wish to convey is that, the actual concepts underwriting both the basis for MSK physiotherapeutics and pharmaco based drug therapies - they fascinate me; What academia delivers in terms of tuition however, it's established information. You could say for intents and purposes that, I can't allow myself to be constrained by a learning regiment which is challenging, beneficial - but alas, taught to 100's of students every year with little in the way of establishing innovation - certainly not facilitated at an undergrad level at least. I outline this because, I'm asking time from both physios and pharmacists browsing this forum to contribute insight as to attaining those base qualifications, the intensity, workload etc - so as I can basically get a better day job. But a day job relevant to my interests, whilst not limiting my pursuit of innovation relative to those interests. And I guess if contributors are going to make time to provide this valuable insight, it's important they understand it's not just to some dude that's looking for a, "handy number", but rather get a relevant day job that pays the bills like we all must, whilst not interfering with additional pursuits, understandings and acquisition of novel information that pertain directly to that very area.
karlitob wrote: » You’re a plank. I’d hate to plank work with you. And I’d never send a plank patient to you. Not once in plank crappy posts (this plank thread or the other plank threads where you’re plank asking the same stupid plank questions) have you ever mentioned or asked about plank patients. Some plank people don’t really plank care, some plank people prefer the plank academia and put up with plank patients; but I’ll plank tell you this - underneath all of it (yes even underneath plank gene expression) it’s about helping plank people with the tools of your plank trade. All plank professions rely in some way on the plank other. You won’t make it very plank far - as you’re a plank.
The Hound Gone Wild wrote: » None of the health sciences are easy degrees, all of them are intense. None of them lead to easy jobs. All I can speak for is Pharmacy. For me it was 9-6 Monday-Friday and probably another 20 hours a week study time. Is it possible to work 20 hours a week as a Pharmacist? Yes, you can get a contract for 20 hours somewhere, you can also locum and work when and where you want. The work is volatile, it's almost dead at the moment and hourly rates have crashed out. Working as a Pharmacist is not a handy life no matter how many hours you do weekly. It's extremely stressful, especially locum work & lunch breaks are non-existant.
karlitob wrote: » You’re a plank. I’d hate to work with you. And I’d never send a patient to you. Not once in crappy posts (this thread or the other threads where you’re asking the same stupid questions) have you ever mentioned or asked about patients. Some people don’t really care, some people prefer the academia and put up with patients; but I’ll tell you this - underneath all of it (yes even underneath gene expression) it’s about helping people with the tools of your trade. All professions rely in some way on the other. You won’t make it very far - as you’re a plank.
jlm29 wrote: » Where are you looking at doing physio? For the 4 yr course it’s fairly full time for the first two years. Third and fourth year would have a bit more self directed time and research project etc, so still a lot of hours, just not necessarily in college. Clinical placement is 30 ish weeks, full time work, no pay, and lots of study at weekends and evening times. Physio degree courses are based almost entirely on evidence based practice. A lot of what you’ve said you do at the moment Is out of date and not evidence based, so it might be worth reading up a bit to update your knowledge of what’s involved.
Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: » Well You could say for intents and purposes that, I can't allow myself to be constrained by a learning regiment which is challenging, beneficial - but alas, taught to 100's of students every year with little in the way of establishing innovation - certainly not facilitated at an undergrad level at least..
Iodine1 wrote: » So what you are really saying is you have no interest in the course, just getting a qualification to get a handy but well paid job and that you can work part time in. Yes I understand.
Mjolnir wrote: » Do none of the college offer a talk to current students day? We have that I love my course but I wouldn't be long to tell people if they want a doss don't bother. Timetables are deceiving in some lecturers don't keep you the full hour. But over all if you're travelling any kind of distance it'll be more full on hours wise. Either way expect your week to be full on especially if working. I'm sitting as a 1.1 student at the min, honestly without much effort about a week of study before my exams, but I genuinely love it and find it fascinating. If you're like that you'll be grand if not you'll need to put in more work. Try find the courses on insta and ask the account mod some questions I'm sure they'd oblige.
angeldelight wrote: » It is possible... I currently work 49 hours a month as a community pharmacist - one day a week 9am-7pm and one weekend day of 9am-6pm per month. In a case of never being happy it kind of limits me as I don’t particularly enjoy working as a pharmacist but if I was to go back and retrain I wouldn’t be able to work such limited hours and earn enough to make it worth my while. First world problems
GalwayGrrrrrl wrote: » “A pleasant environment” This is where you are wrong. Standing all day, no breaks, constant queues of people with no appointment needing your attention while the phone is ringing and a barely trained counter assistant needs your supervision. Mending tills, trying increase sales revenue, speakng with a GP about a dose of a drug, trying to placate an angry customer who needs a refund on perfume. Oh and the one staff toilet needs mending and you are “in charge” so need to get that fixed ASAP. And hurry up with that Methadone as the addicts are due in the next 5 minutes. There are some lovely small village pharmacies which are nicer to work in but they are generally owner-occupied and don’t need a second pharmacist. Spend a day work-shadowing a pharmacist and then come back to me with your pleasant environment. I worked in community pharmacy when i was first qualified and would not go back to it now for double the salary.
Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: » Again, this sound tailor made for me, and exactly the insight I'm looking for. And you can pay the bills okay with income proportional to this roster?
Did you find it difficult to establish such a part time position? Or just offer your services in that capacity and it came along easy enough etc?
What do you not enjoy about being a pharmacist? You get to keep up with latest drug developments, got full background training in everything pertaining to pharmacy/pharmacology/drug therapeutics obviously ("the scientists of the high street, as one website quotes"), and work in a pleasant environment dispensing invaluable information to the public;
So I'm to take it that perhaps even with a limited 2 day schedule, perhaps you still find it an overly intense job role perhaps? Too much responsibility/stress? Working day is too long? Or as others say, no lunch/bathroom-breaks, just sucks?
In contrast to the working life, how did you find completing the pharmacy undergrad itself? Really full on/intense course and requires utmost dedication?
For all intents and purposes, just let's say I have an evening job that I have to work 6 to 10 pm every evening in, and 3 hour per day weekends also - as that's the typical additional time commitment I require.Would you say doing that in addition to a pharmacy university program may be.... just too much work, potentially compromise exam outcome etc - as pharmacy simply requires that level of time dedication?
angeldelight wrote: » It works for us - my husband works full time and we have young children so it’s a good balance for us at the moment I worked as a locum/part-time pharmacist for years and basically picked and chose when I wanted to work. It wouldn’t be for everyone but worked out well for me The job is pretty tedious day to day. While there will be a handful of new drugs which come along each year the vast majority of the time you’re dispensing the exact same small cohort of drugs to people who have had them for years already... there’s not much sense of making a difference on a daily basis. The general public can be draining to work with also! There is so much bureaucracy and paperwork with the HSE too which takes up a huge portion of time I don’t think it’s too intense at all to be honest - I work somewhere which is adequately staffed, nice boss, grand clientele... it’s just not very satisfying. No lunch and bathroom breaks does suck but I’m used to it, and again because I work part-time it’s not too taxing. The course is very interesting and engaging. I really enjoyed it and the breadth of knowledge gained. I’ve lost a lot of it now as it’s just not needed for the day to day role of community pharmacist as it exists in Ireland currently. It’s definitely intense... the course structure has changed since I qualified but we would have had 35 hours or so contact hours a week and then all the actual work to do outside of that That seems like a lot to fit in around the course. I would not have fancied having to work those hours alongside it
jlm29 wrote: » I just read about your issues with time commitments. I don’t think you could do very well in a physio course while working those hours. I don’t doubt that you could scrape by. I also think you couldn’t work those hours while on placement
Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: » It's the travel associated with 6x 5 week terms of placement that concerns me. If I was station in St James's for each placement, hey that'd be aces. It's basically a stones throw from where I plan on living if based in RCSI or Trinity. But from what I understand, hell they can even send you overseas for placement, or anywhere in Co Dublin or around the country. Again, I know dudes who have done that and still kept up with additional commitments dudes that do physio via being sports heavy, tend to do. They manage. Pffff - hard to tell. I'm not gonna spend the rest of muh life working off a witchdoctor weekend cert so at some point I'm gonna have to anti up and simply commit to either pharmacy or physio. ..... To physios reading, would it be out of the question you could comment on the contact hour vs course work vs placement time commitments you experienced/remember whilst doing your course? Bear in mind, much of the "extra-curricular" investigation pertains directly to cellular function, nervous system so, it's not like it's entirely unrelated to health science based physio. In fact the fact that physio has a large neurological component in addition to MSK is one of main attractions about that undergrad.
jlm29 wrote: » Both of those colleges are associated with hospitals in different parts of the country, so I’d say you’d be likely to get at least one, And possibly several placements outside of Dublin. Placements usually allocated based on clinical need first, geographical preference second. It doesn’t matter what work you do in your spare time really, or what it relates to, you’ll still need to put in a lot of hours study in evenings and at weekends. I have had recent contact with physio students. The ones who do well on placement go home after a seven hour day on site and out in a few hours of study. The ones who do badly do not. In general. When I studied physio, I worked every weekend, Saturday and Sunday, full days. I often had to cut this back while on placement. I couldn’t have worked evenings as well and got a decent degree. An awful lot of my class mates worked summers only.
